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    WTB: Giesen W6A (or San Franciscan, Probat or Joper in the 2.5-6kg range.)

    I'm looking for a used Giesen 6kg roaster, but I would consider San Franciscan, Probat or Joper in the 2.5-6kg range.

    Thanks for any help you all can provide!

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    Also interested to hear any thoughts on the San Franciscan in general. How does it stack up to Probat and Giesen? There is a significant cost difference, would SF be considered top tier? I've noticed that most competitions are won on Probat, Giesen, and SF, in that order. Confirmation bias because so many people "grow up" and are trained on Probat? There's certainly cult appeal, but they're out there winning competitions....

    What do you guys think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillyP View Post
    Also interested to hear any thoughts on the San Franciscan in general. How does it stack up to Probat and Giesen? There is a significant cost difference, would SF be considered top tier? I've noticed that most competitions are won on Probat, Giesen, and SF, in that order. Confirmation bias because so many people "grow up" and are trained on Probat? There's certainly cult appeal, but they're out there winning competitions....

    What do you guys think?
    I will share my roaster shopping feedback with you seeing that I have been shopping for a roaster now for 3 months solid.

    I have roasted a limited amount on Probat, Giesen, Diedrich, Coffee Tech, and have a buddy who owned a San Fran 6lb. They are all very good roasters.

    One conclusion I have come to since starting my search for the right roaster, is that if they are available new on eBay there is simple a reason. No demand.

    If you are looking at ordering one of the roasters you listed new, then expect AT LEAST 2-3 months before you get your roaster since none of these companies have one in stock. They build to order or are backed up on orders to where that 2-3 months is realistically 6 months (7-9 months for one guy I know who ordered a custom build from an American company).

    If you are looking at purchasing a second hand roaster that is one of the brands you listed, then it is a lottery chance on finding the right unit for the right price. Refurbishing companies know the availability on these higher end units that you listed, use relationships to purchase second hand units before they hit any classifieds, and then charge you thousands more based on the shipping/parts/labor. Not to mention the additional time it takes to ship the unit to their facility prior to repair before they ship it to you since they act more as a used broker. They post a picture of the roaster, then commit to the refurbish after you express interest.

    There is even a group in California (who's name I won't mention) that sells both refurbished roasters at almost new prices, as well as NEW roasters marked up several thousands because they know how long you will wait for a new custom built roaster directly from the manufacturer. Which is messed up. I can't believe manufacturers would allow them to sell a unit as "new" when all they did was order one to flip to you at a higher price.

    One of these US roaster manufacturers has to figure out that they can dominate by stocking new units. People want to give them money, and they just don't want to take it from us. It is mind boggling to me. Makes me want to go into the coffee roaster business instead of the coffee roasting business seeing that I am presently on my 5th negotiation for a roaster because my last one fell off its palate during shipping.

    Good luck and sorry to vent my own frustrations to you. Perhaps you will have an easier shopping experience than I am having.

 

 

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