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  1. #11
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    Hey - in the end it all tastes like it came from Starbucks!

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    Enzyme process

    Thanks to all who posted good info on this topic, I'm not sure I will ever really know this subject fully. But the posts were helpful.

    Trung Nguyen claims to have studied what takes place in the civet and has duplicated the process by a (secret of course) formula using isolated enzymes that similar to the natural ones. This seems to makes sense, since the process that takes place is not really a mystery, why not simulate it and do without the "occasional dead mouse" as a previous poster so delicately phrased it.

    The coffee is called Legendee / Weasel, and they make no representation that it is anything but what they feel is a similar, but hygenic process. The result is one incredible coffee... and most of the tourists who come back from Vietnam looking for weasel coffee that they had in a coffee shop there have actually had the Legendee and loved it. There are now almost 2000 outlets throught southeast Asia but still I can't find anybody in the USA importing it but me... but I assume the Vietnamese-American importers in California do import it, but they don't advertise... they distribute locally to Asian markets.

    Yes, they do package it in a 100-gram bag (ground) that sells for $3.50. There is whole bean now also, which they haven't exported till this January.

    I guess the real question is, would anybody be able to tell the real civet enzymes from the reproduction... enough to be worth $150 per pound. I don't know, having only had the Trung Nguyen. I will say that everybody who has tried it ranks it among their top few coffees they have ever tried... especially iced.

    Also, keep in mind that there are a hundred small imitators who label some coffee civet coffee or variations of the theme, but TN is the first company to recreate the enzyme process, and Legendee is pretty well agreed to be the "real" simulation... if that makes any sense.

    If you write to me @ lbrault@clockworkcommerce.com and mention this forum I would be glad to send you a sample, to anybody who is sincerely interested in it. I would be glad to get some expert opinions on it. Please don't pass that offer on to anyone outside of these forums...
    Friends don't let friends drink bad coffee...

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    Why..people buy Luwak Coffee so expensive..out there. I have the real one from myown coffee farm at Lampung - Indonesia.., some people bought from me only US$55 /500 gr unroasted coffee beans..

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    Yes! There is such a coffee. We call it COFFEE ALAMID.

    Hi!

    I was able to encounter such a drink in the Philippines called COFFEE ALAMID.

    Coffee Alamid is a blend of the four coffee varieties (arabica, robusta, exelsa, liberica) harvested in a peculiar manner --- the ripe coffee cherries are eaten, fermented in the digestive system, and excreted as whole beans by the Philippine civet cats (locally known as Alamid). The beans are then hand picked, washed, dried out in the sun then roasted, until the strong chocolaty aroma comes out.

    Note: Civet cats, like panda bears, are clean animal. They only eat fruits from trees. So try this coffee and enjoy the exotic taste and strong chocolaty aroma.

    For more information re COFFEE ALAMID and photo of PHIL CIVET CAT, go to our website below. Don't forget to use our search engine for easier find.
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    Actually I hate to correct you, but Civets are not clean at all, rather notoriously dirty actually! They are omnivors, so they do not only eat coffee cherries, pepaya, mango etc...but also small rodents such as mice, birds and chicken eggs. This is one of the reasons Kopi Luwak- and the phillipine, Vietnamese and Ethiopean varients of teh same- can vary in cupping taste from a sweet fruitiness, to a strange gaminess. The Civet is perhaps most closely related to either the weasel or Mongoose- it is not large at all in Southeast Asia- about the size and shape of a weasel. In Ethiopia the civet actually is much larger, the size of a small dog. The result of size means the Southeast Asian civets can forage a range of foods. In villages they are seen as a pest, and I have had to convince village kids not to kill them when they catch sight of them. From my understanding probably Ethiopean Kopi Luwak (or what ever they call it), is most likely to be the purest- the animals do not range as far and are more likely to eat cherries alone.
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    Luwak Coffee

    A customer recently told me about this site:
    http://www.animalcoffee.com/

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    big question

    correct me if I am wrong but weren't civet cats suppose to be the source of SARS(in conjunction with selling their meat next to bats or something like that). Also couldn't you do this with any member of the weasel family(ermines,ferrets, martens, badgers etc)?
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

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    The Civet did indeed get a bad name during the first SARS outbreak in 2003. Actually there are quite a few different types of civet, the one that is coffee related is the smller masked civet- a bit different from the larger civets in China. Only a civet can be specifically tied to Kopi Luwak production. The Civet has a gland located somewhere near its rear end that actually scents/flavours the coffee. While other animals such as weasel can eat and therefore poop coffee, the civet is the only animal that will scent it- producing Kopi Luwak. Here, as in South America, coffee from fruit bat droppings is also popular. IMHO it actually holds a better flavour than Kopi Luwak as the bats are purely herbivore while the Civet (Luwak) is an omnivore. I prefer fruitiness in the cup rather than a slight game-iness!
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    variety is the spice of life

    think I'll take one of these 150lb bags with me down to the zoo and do some experimenting...I know about camels and has but how about black rhinos....could start a real trend here using endangered species.
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

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    Hahaha...I like the concept. I dont envy you rummaging through rhino pooh though! Bring a spade and, heavy duty rubber gloves and a face mask.
    Merdeka Coffee (Indonesian Coffee Roasters and relationship coffee specialists) - Antipodean (Coffee - Cafe - Culture)

 

 
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