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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyCoffee View Post
    Not according to Italians...

    If you make a list of the commercial machines people talk about on this forum, you will end up with these brands:

    The La Pavoni PUB 1V-R -1 Group...
    The la Pavoni BAR-STAR 2V-R - 2-Group...
    Pasquini Livia 90...
    Nuova Simonelli Aurelia Ii Semi 2 Group...
    European Gift Bar 3L-R La Pavoni Bar 3L-R, 3 Group...
    La Pavoni Bar 2L-B Lever...

    I wonder why none of these sounds like Americans to me.
    Italians do make quality machines/grinders, but in stock form they're pretty good. It really takes tinkering to bring the best out of them and most of that cutting edge change has been here in the states. I imagine many of us take more pride in espresso than the typical Italian. The Italian 'golden rules for proper espresso' seem kind of piss poor to me and would never cut it on my level of expectation. The ristrettos I extract would likely be a bit much for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishan View Post
    Buying an espresso machine seems complicated to me !!! can anyone help with this ?

    So did you get your answer, or did you just come here to start a fight...lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyCoffee View Post
    So machines are more important than barista after all? I am glad to see this discussion is going somewhere...
    Unless it's a Communist country, whatever they serve must be whatever their customers want. This is the simplest rule of market economy.
    Actually FAR from it as the machine/grinder are just devices to extract the very best a coffee has to offer when properly designed to do so and it takes a skilled operator to make the very best of a machine/grinder/coffee. No automated machine in existence will match what I can do with my setup. If you want to spend the remainder of life being a push button monkey that is satisfied with passable espresso so be it, but some of us aren't.
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    You're simply grasping at straws on the losing end of a disagreement. Also, who gives a damn regarding legalities anyway? I'm rolling as I have coffee to roast and superb espresso ristretto to extract!
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    Actually I don't care about history on any level as it doesn't affect how I live day-to-day and won't affect my future in any way.

    Do us a favor and snap/post a few pics of a typical extraction you are proud of. Some think appearance means little with an extraction, roasted coffee, etc., but I definitely don't agree with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyCoffee View Post
    The reason some make and some repeat history...

    I'm thinking that it's time to get back to the original topic.

 

 
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