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    Help Please: Need Help with Plumbing Questions - Neighbors Coffee Cart

    Hey there!

    We are Neighbors Coffee Cart and we're opening up a small electric cart in Los Olivos, California. We're about mid-way through our build out and have some questions on the plumbing setup. This is our first build and we've never plumbed much of anything before, but have scoured the internet and found some useful links, but we're hoping to get some questions answered here.

    Basically our coffee cart is built off of an old Taylor Dunn airport utility cart and we'll be serving drip, pour over and cold brew.. with the add on of a double boiler 1 group espresso machine after we open and feel it out.


    We're trying to figure out how much fresh water to have on the cart, and then that'll help us determine our fresh water tank size and our waste water tank sizes.

    Our coffee machine is a Fetco 2121A (without warmers) for our drip coffee, and two thermos carafes.

    Also, the county requires that we have hand-washing on the cart and that we dedicate 5 gallons of water to that. Below are my calulations, but what do you guys think that we'll use for our drip, pour over, and espresso needs?


    • Need 5 gallons of fresh water for Hand-Washing
    • Need 5 gallons of fresh water for Drip Coffee?
    • Need 2 gallons of fresh water for Hot Tea?
    • Need 5 gallons of fresh water for espresso?
    • Need 2 gallons of fresh water for pour over ?


    Other Equipment Needs:
    - Water pump/accumulator. Quietest as well?
    - Fresh/Waste water tanks
    - Water Filter?
    - Cold Brew dispenser options?
    - Water Heater (propane or electric)

    Anybody who can lend some help can have free coffee if you ever come to town!

    Thanks for reading!
    Blair & Emmy


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    Last edited by NeighborsCoffee; 05-19-2020 at 06:27 PM. Reason: To add photos

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    Hello Neighbors Coffee

    How are things going with building your coffee cart? Thanks for adding the photos. It looks like it's going to be a really nice set-up.

    I had to laugh when I read: "Also, the county requires that we have hand-washing on the cart and we dedicate 5 gallons of water to that."
    Considering all of the extra hand washing you'll need to do, especially now-a-days, have you thought about doubling that to 10 gallons? (or more)

    Please post photos of the finished coffee cart when you're ready. It will be fun to see it.

    ~ Rose

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    Pink Rose I see where your thinking is...but the issue is space. They can have a runner fetch water when it gets low. I really want to see the finished product. It looks like it will be super cool.
    "Wine is for aging, not coffee."
    Ken Hutchinson, Starsky and Hutch

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    Neighbors Coffee Updates!

    Hey Rose,

    Things are moving along. The build is nearing completion. Still need to paint and finish the countertop (photos below). I think we're going to get stuck in the paperwork/permitting process for a bit though. We were anticipating opening up in the next month or so, but we're learning that things may take a little longer.

    Regarding the sink, and why I don't want it is yes, definitely space. Regarding staying sanitary, we'd rather have a hand sanitizer station or a very small hand washing sink, instead of a bulky 9x9x5 to code sink. We will have sanitizer on the cart anyways, so I don't think well have a problem with only 5 gallons.

    Most of the issues I asked about in this post have been resolved. I am getting a 20 gallon fresh water tank, and a 15 gallon waste water tank. We are using all pex plumbing and went through the website supply house for all of our fittings. We went through Ronco Plastics. They were great and helped custom size our tanks and where the fittings go.

    For cold brew, we purchased a small nitro setup, using a 2.5 gallon corny keg and tap system. We used our local brew supply store for most of those needs, however finding food grade nitro in a small enough tanks has been kinda tough. Any help there would be greatly appreciated.

    For our Water pump/accumulator, we used the Shurflo 4008 pump and 181 201 for the accumulator and an Everpure water filtration system.

    On thing we recently learned is that we'll need to be approved by our HDC committee. They approve house/builds etc.. Since we are so small, most of what applies in that permit doesn't seem to apply to us. Does anybody have any experience dealing with them?

    Updated photos:
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    Future countertop:
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkRose View Post
    Hello Neighbors Coffee

    How are things going with building your coffee cart? Thanks for adding the photos. It looks like it's going to be a really nice set-up.

    I had to laugh when I read: "Also, the county requires that we have hand-washing on the cart and we dedicate 5 gallons of water to that."
    Considering all of the extra hand washing you'll need to do, especially now-a-days, have you thought about doubling that to 10 gallons? (or more)

    Please post photos of the finished coffee cart when you're ready. It will be fun to see it.

    ~ Rose

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeighborsCoffee View Post
    I am getting a 20 gallon fresh water tank, and a 15 gallon waste water tank.
    Many health departments require the waste tank to be around 10% bigger than the fresh water tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthSouth View Post
    Many health departments require the waste tank to be around 10% bigger than the fresh water tank.

    Yes, but because I won't be preparing any potentially hazardous food, and I don't need a three compartment sink, and only hand washing, my tanks are good and approved.

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    Well, I think that in order to be well equipped it is better to consult a specialist or a company that provides plumbing services. Only in this way you'll be sure that everything is fine and you can work without the fear that something bad may happen. I remember a while ago, I was looking for a professional who specializes in solar hot water repairs. Fortunately, the man that helped me with my problem works in a big plumbing company, and offers help from hot water emergencies to commercial plumbing. So, you can contact him if you still need professional help.
    Last edited by Gibsongi; 11-26-2020 at 10:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibsongi View Post
    Well, I think that in order to be well equipped it is better to consult a specialist or a company that provides plumbing services. Only in this way you'll be sure that everything is fine and you can work without the fear that something bad may happen. I remember a while ago, I was looking for a professional who specializes in solar hot water repairs. Fortunately, the man that helped me with my problem works in a big plumbing company, and offers help from hot water emergencies to commercial plumbing. So, you can contact him if you still need professional help.
    I'm also dealing with a similar problem right now. Where can I find some more feedback about this company?

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    Figured it out!

    Thanks for the helpful suggestion, but I moved forward with youtube tutorials and plumbing blogs. Carts almost done. A fair amount of changes from where it started, but it's almost ready for the health inspection.

 

 
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