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    Cuppy''s

    Thinking about buying into the franchise of Cuppy''s. Just like to know if anyone has any good or bad things about this business.

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    Use the "Search" button and try searchig for "Cuppy's."

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't they known by some other name before? I don't remember what it was, but it just changed recently. You must ask yourself, "Why did they change their name?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee Guy
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't they known by some other name before? I don't remember what it was, but it just changed recently. You must ask yourself, "Why did they change their name?"
    Java Jo'z.

    If you search for pending litigation and Better Business Bureau rating using that name, there will be no doubt as to "why."

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    Here is what I have determined

    I am also looking at a Cuppy's franchise. Here is what I have determined.

    Java Joz had several licensees, not franchisees, who had paid a deposit to Java Joz. At least one of these individuals I think it was , Scooble, had been looking for a location for over a year. At some point in time Java Joz owner Ben Snowden found himself in trouble with the IRS. The IRS proceeded to seize all of Ben Snowden assets, including Java Joz.

    At some point in time the licensees asked for their non refundable deposits back.

    Last spring a group of investors purchased Java Joz assets from Ben Snowden with the graces of the IRS. The monies obviously went to the IRS and not to others further down the lein tree.

    The new company, Cuppy's ,offered all existing Java Joz licensees to change over at no additional cost. Instead of continuing with his coffee shop plans Mr. Scooble launched a nasty internet slander campaign. His brother just so happens to have a very popular politcal blog site. Considering politics and slander are pretty much one in the same this should come as no surprise. Instead of proceeding on like a true businessman he choses defame with name calling backed up with no facts just emotion.

    I have personally talked to three current Cuppy's owner who are very happy with their businesses and Cuppy's. These owners were contacted by me at random. They were not names given to me by Cuppy's.

    Now I do realize it was bad for the Java Joz owner to have tax problems but based on what has been posted concerning the licensees, I doubt they would have recieved a refund even without Ben Snowden's personal problems. It is like putting a bid on a house. If you later decide to back out of the house you lose your earnest money.

    The only remaining question out their concerns the appearance that Cuppy's is just Java Joz renamed, and that Ben Snowden is still involved. On paper it appears that this in not the case. However I realize it is pretty easy to hide behind paper.

    Others have questioned why most of the Cuppy's staff and building are the same. I have never seen a business buyout situation where everything and everyone was disbanded. That is called bankruptcy not asset purchase.


    Here are my facts and finding?

    The IRS holds the trump card in all money disputes.
    Why would you put a deposit on a coffee shop with no sight in mind?
    In a binding contract non refundable usuallly means non refundable.
    When dealing with large sums of money and/or large portions of one's assets run the money through an escrow agent.

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    so

    So essentialy Cuppy's/JavaJo's had a really nasty contract and now they are holding the fools that signed with then to it. While not illegal it still doesn't sound like a company I would want to be involved with. Scooble should have had a site before approaching Cuppy's. Cuppy's should not have offered a contract to someone with no location.
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    You have to question any company that spends more time promoting its franchises than its products.
    You have to question a place named "Cuppy's"
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    Nasty Contract ? I don't think so

    Signing a license or a franchise agreement with any company out there entitles you to certain things which cost the company money. They include site reveiws, build out plans for your site, access to lawyers who help you get the best lease etc...

    I have personally owned two franchises outside the coffee industry and have read cover to cover the UFOC of at least 15 other popular companies and have never seen a refundable deposit offered. When you enter an agreement with one of these companies you better be very very serious, and have no doubts as to whether you are going to proceed. I know of an individual who has paid a large Pizza franchise $50,000 and now can't financially finish the deal. He is not going to get his money back. This same franchise has approched me to purchase these franchise rights for the $50,000 because his time to open a store as specified in his contract will expire shortly.


    You guys critic these companies like what they are doing is a hobby. All successfull franchise companies are run buy serious business people out to do one thing. MAKE MONEY!!!! The owners are not out there to run a lifestyle firm that breaks even every year. If you think Starbucks is out there to save the environment, and sponsor "cute" community events and buy beans in a socially conscience manner just because it is the right thing to do you are wrong. Even though it may be right thing to do the ultimate reason is because of something called profit. By promoting these things people feel good about a $6 Cafe Mocha. You the buyer don't think about $6, instead you feel good because you helped a coffee bean farmer earn a decent wage. If you call $4 a day a good wage.


    So to say they made them sign a nasty contract is bogus. His terms were consistant with any UFOC I have seen. Additionally I don't think Java Joz forged Scoobles name and stole $25000 out of bank account. He wrote them a check and now is not man enough to follow through.

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    The franchise mindset presents a problem, it's more about looking for an easy way, about a "money-making venture". It's never about the coffee.
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    Re: Nasty Contract ? I don't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by coffee4me
    Signing a license or a franchise agreement with any company out there entitles you to certain things which cost the company money. They include site reveiws, build out plans for your site, access to lawyers who help you get the best lease etc...

    I have personally owned two franchises outside the coffee industry and have read cover to cover the UFOC of at least 15 other popular companies and have never seen a refundable deposit offered. When you enter an agreement with one of these companies you better be very very serious, and have no doubts as to whether you are going to proceed. I know of an individual who has paid a large Pizza franchise $50,000 and now can't financially finish the deal. He is not going to get his money back. This same franchise has approched me to purchase these franchise rights for the $50,000 because his time to open a store as specified in his contract will expire shortly.


    You guys critic these companies like what they are doing is a hobby. All successfull franchise companies are run buy serious business people out to do one thing. MAKE MONEY!!!! The owners are not out there to run a lifestyle firm that breaks even every year. If you think Starbucks is out there to save the environment, and sponsor "cute" community events and buy beans in a socially conscience manner just because it is the right thing to do you are wrong. Even though it may be right thing to do the ultimate reason is because of something called profit. By promoting these things people feel good about a $6 Cafe Mocha. You the buyer don't think about $6, instead you feel good because you helped a coffee bean farmer earn a decent wage. If you call $4 a day a good wage.


    So to say they made them sign a nasty contract is bogus. His terms were consistant with any UFOC I have seen. Additionally I don't think Java Joz forged Scoobles name and stole $25000 out of bank account. He wrote them a check and now is not man enough to follow through.
    Cuppy? Never heard of them. Maybe they are well known in your area, but not in Northeast. I can open a Kuppy and copied their concept down to the bathroom sinks and no one will notice it.

    In a way you are right, it is all about making money. Too many new comers came with a romantic dream and never bother to be hard nose about number crunching. I for one will not give up a percentage of my revenues to an unknown who in my mind offer me nothing. The number just doesn't make any sense.
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