What is the quality of Vietnamese coffee?

What is your vote on Vietnamese coffee quality?


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wscafe

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It is obvious that Vietnam is the world's coffee giant as the country has been dominated the 2nd largest producer for years. I'm a coffee addictor from Vietnam and of course, I love its coffee. However, I see that not many Vietnamese coffees are being marketed independently across coffee consuming markets in comparison with Brazilian coffee, Columbian coffee and others. Some even say that Vietnam should improve its coffee quality to cater the world's increasing demand for coffee.

Since I've been in the coffee industry 5 years ago, I always think of Vietnam coffee quality. Is it good enough to sell independently in global markets? How about the taste? Is the taste familiar to world's local taste?
 

Mr.Peaberry

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It is hardest job to change customer preferences and assumptions. Vietnam did not start out as a producer of arabica coffee. Being a French colony, rubusta was cultivated beginning in the late 19th century to the extent that placed Vietnam in the position of being the worlds largest producer of robusta coffee. Because of this, it is difficult for Vietnam to shake the image of not being an origin of choice for specialty grade arabica. It hasn't been long ago that Brazil was considered for commercial grade only, but since most of it's coffee, 70% I've learned, is arabica, it has been easier for them to enter into the world of specialty coffee, and be taken seriously. If you don't mind, I'll use the analogy of goods coming into the US from Japan after the end of WWII. So much low quality stuff that all had the tag "Made in Japan" that Japan became synonymous with poor quality goods. Over the years, this has turned around so much so that many things made in Japan are regarded as top shelf and on par with goods coming out of Germany for the engineering, Italy for design, and Scandinavia for innovation. Vietnam can turn the ship around too...but there is no easy way other than a national commitment to achieving that goal.
 

johnnguyen

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robusta from vietnam is so popular that the taste of local drinkers can not be accepted for arabica; they think arabica is not coffee but extra flavors; hahah, sure it's too strong: >2%caffeine and slow filter (>3minutes) (french press), drink 1 cup and you are "drunk" all day; I roast coffee and pack in drip bags using just arabica, but all men don't like this smell and taste, it's soft and not strong enough!
when i blend, 3/7 they think: ok, but still it's not strong! how to satisfy? a big question!
 
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johnnguyen

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Son La may differ from Dalat since they grow other kinds of arabica; I live in Hanoi and have chance to taste: Laos arabica + Son La arabica + Dien Bien arabica; all 're different and all 're charming!
I tried Dien Bien green bean bought from farmer and found it can not be better
 
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Vietnamese coffee its particular style. Coarsely ground beans go into a French drip filter (called a phin), which sits on top of the cup. The beans are weighted down with a thin lid, hot water is added to the phin, and then the water slowly trickles through into the cup. Most people drink the resulting dark, strong brew with sweetened condensed milk, a practice that began because the French couldn't easily acquire fresh milk.
 

wscafe

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It is hardest job to change customer preferences and assumptions. Vietnam did not start out as a producer of arabica coffee. Being a French colony, rubusta was cultivated beginning in the late 19th century to the extent that placed Vietnam in the position of being the worlds largest producer of robusta coffee. Because of this, it is difficult for Vietnam to shake the image of not being an origin of choice for specialty grade arabica. It hasn't been long ago that Brazil was considered for commercial grade only, but since most of it's coffee, 70% I've learned, is arabica, it has been easier for them to enter into the world of specialty coffee, and be taken seriously. If you don't mind, I'll use the analogy of goods coming into the US from Japan after the end of WWII. So much low quality stuff that all had the tag "Made in Japan" that Japan became synonymous with poor quality goods. Over the years, this has turned around so much so that many things made in Japan are regarded as top shelf and on par with goods coming out of Germany for the engineering, Italy for design, and Scandinavia for innovation. Vietnam can turn the ship around too...but there is no easy way other than a national commitment to achieving that goal.

The situation. I do agree with you on the reputation of Vietnamese coffee at present. Not far ago, many local Vietnamese green coffee traders had mixed a lot of foreign matters to trick their foreing buyers especially the ones from Europe. The common approach is normally like this - at the beginning the quality is good and when time goes by and more mutual trust has been built, coffee quality goes crazy. I think this is not only in coffee. We can easily find the same scandal on peppers, and other agro-commodities from Vietnam. On the other side, Vietnamese local coffee farmers have been overusing a lot of artifical fertilizers to boost 'eir coffee quantity. One more thing is that at the beginning of coffee booming in Vietnam, many people got rich with it and the rest were flock to grow coffee. As a result, people insisted on cultivating coffee at any spaces and areas that might not be suitable to grow up coffee. And, as you know, coffee from these farms are not really good. During the coffee crisis of 2000s, many local coffee farms had to cut down their coffee trees to get rid of the industry. ("Planting & Destroying" is another story of Vietnamese agriculture that needs much more time to discuss).

To sum up, here are facts that affect Vietnamese coffee quality's reputation:

  • Robusta varieties - of course.
  • A lot of tricks & mocks of some Vietnamese coffee traders. I heard that some even mix stones, parchment into coffee for sale.
  • Overusage of artificial fertilizers.
  • Inappropriate cultivation in some areas.

The history. I might not agree with you on the history of Vietnamese coffee especially at the beginning. It is correct that the French were first introduced coffee into Vietnam. And to be frankly, they have many efforts to form and inspire the way Vietnamese people brew and enjoy coffee until today. The Vietnamese phin filter (or Vietnamese dripper) is actually an invention of the French. Or Vietnamese are in love with French roast (or super dark roast) coffee. But, the first coffee introduced into Vietnam was not robusta. It was Arabica. These arabica were planted on the North first where they formed a single origin arabica named "Arabica du Tonkin" (Vietnamese: Bắc Kỳ, historically Đàng Ngoài). But, unfortunately, it got some leaf rust and most of crops were failed. I was born on the North of Vietnam and at my young time, I did see several small coffee gardens (not farms:]) left in my village. 100% of the then arabica were original arabica which today you can easily find in some farms in Da Lat city or in some provinces in the Middles. For new growing regions in the North such as Son La, Dien Bien, they are all new cultivation areas which mainly focus on growing Catimor.

The mordern robusta. As far as I know, Vietnamese coffee farmers didn't aim to grow robusta at the beginning. Choosing to grow robusta was the decision of the then Vietnamese government. The situation was that after applying a centrally planned economy during 1970s and 1980s under the directions of Socialism economy and theories, Vietnam (both farmers and government) got tired. The domestic economy was down while Vietnam had a war with Cambodia and China (both in 1979), the inflation rate was very high (up to 870%) (you can see, now every Vietnamese is a millionaire), the government decided to make a Renovation (aka Doi Moi) in which they quitted centrally-planned economy and returned farms to farmers. Everything went smooth & quickly except coffee. Vietnamese government at that time thought of coffee very carefully. They definitely knew arabica had better price but easily to get disease (leaf rust) while robusta is more robust, but with cheap price and lower quality. Finally, they chose robusta as we all have known. Why? The simple answer is the government didn't want to take risk. They chose robusta for certainty because robusta would be the strategic tree/plant to help Central Highlanders to get rid of poverty and famine. Nowadays, many Central Highlanders are very rich thanks to coffee even robusta don't have as high price as arabica. One more thing, Vietnam is the main reason of bankruptcies of many coffee farms across the globe as its robusta are very cheap.

The future. Like you, I believe Vietnam is still having a chance, Mr. Peaberry. Things are changing very fast in Vietnam today. The government aims to increase the country's arabica production upto 200,000 MT per annum by 2020 (now approx. 60,000 MT per annum) by expanding cultivation to the North. Vietnamese coffee farmers are more aware of growing sustainable coffee production. They now apply effective watering system. They use coffee pulps and residues to make organic fertilizers and then resupply to coffee farms. However, things need to change much faster and great efforts must be carried out. And most importantly, I think that Vietnamese coffee producers must think of world's standard quality for coffee and world's local tastes first.
 
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wscafe

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Vietnamese coffee its particular style. Coarsely ground beans go into a French drip filter (called a phin), which sits on top of the cup. The beans are weighted down with a thin lid, hot water is added to the phin, and then the water slowly trickles through into the cup. Most people drink the resulting dark, strong brew with sweetened condensed milk, a practice that began because the French couldn't easily acquire fresh milk.
You are absolutely right. To foreign visitors, many think that Vietnamese coffee drinkers have a lot of time to wait for coffee brewing with a phin. However, let's say, many Vietnamese people judge it like an experience. He or she sits there, brew coffee and wait and hear every single drop. But, real coffee will drop very fast. Thus, local coffee roasters add butter, caramel to keep coffee from dropping too fast.
 

Mr.Peaberry

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I am learning much about Vietnamese coffee. Thanks for sharing your knowledge! I appreciate that you pointed out the earliest roots of coffee (pun intended) in Vietnam were arabica cultivars, but my point was how Vietnam came to be a dominant player in the global market for coffee. Robusta coffee (coffea canephora or conilon) was not even dignified as a species of coffee until 1897 (over 100 years after coffea arabica was identified, but it is definitely an important player in the world of coffee having close to twice the caffeine content of arabica; maturing quicker and having a better yield than arabica; and being an integral part of Italian espresso blends. I will venture to say that anyone brought up with Robusta would probably consider arabica coffee inferior for its lack of caffeine "punch", and mild acidity. In the US, there is a following of coffee that has chicory as a filler (also introduced by the French). Personally, I'd prefer a good arabica, robusta blend over this any day of the week...yuck (sorry canjun friends).
 

wscafe

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I think that catering habits in somewhat affect the way we enjoy coffee. It is no doubt that Vietnam must carry out great efforts to improve its coffee quality by reducing artificial fertilizers & pesticide. However, Vietnamese people prefer bold taste as they use a lot of sauces (fish sauce, shrimp sauce, etc.) which contain a lot of protein in 'eir daily meals. When they switch to coffee, the ask coffee to be bold/strong and that's why chicory should be added in to make coffee stronger/thicker or more condensed.
 
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