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  1. #11
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    great idea man ..but you have to maintain quailty must otherwise you will loose.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa_AJR View Post
    Hi brothers,
    I am planning to open coffee shop at Saudi Arabia. I was very happy to discover this forum. It is rich of useful information. I have read a lot of posts. However, it is funny that, according to some of the posts that I have read, I have got all the things that would make you worry : I have not got a lot of money, the location is not involved with heavy morning traffic, I have minimum knowledge about coffee other than its taste ( I have not even tasted all the types, so I used Wikipedia during the last month to see what are espresso and latte), I have not working in this business before ( I was not involved in any sort of business other than working as electrical engineer in the oil industry for 7 years).

    I wish to me to you all good. My wife is preparing a floor plan through a software in her iPAD. I will share it with you for the purpose of getting and advice and critique. Thank you very much again.

    Mustafa.
    Last edited by Ronaldaynn; 03-08-2014 at 03:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkRose View Post
    What were the rumors? Our curious minds would like to know.
    I remember reading about accusations that Starbucks funded the Israeli Army/Government when they had locations there. I think that is why they pulled out from there, I'm not 100% sure on that fact. The mermaid/siren logo was also a problem where some claimed that it was actually Queen Esther (Jewish Queen in the Old Testament), instead of a mermaid/siren.

    Starbucks also had to alter their logo in some Arab countries, due to her "lack of modesty"... the altered logo was just a crown floating in the sea. I'm actually wondering what it is now that they removed the wording "Starbucks Coffee" from the logo. Is it just a floating crown on water now? Hardly the Starbucks logo, but I guess it's recognizable in that region.
    My cheerful disposition is brought to you today by a STRONG cup of coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eldub View Post
    LOL What were the rumors?
    That starbucks owner is donating hundreds of millions of dollars to Israil army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkRose View Post
    What were the rumors? Our curious minds would like to know.
    Starbucks owner is donating hundreds of millions of dollars to Israil army (according to threads in forums written by anonymous people). Starbucks confirmed that they are 100% commercial entity that is not related to any political issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John P View Post
    I think with the money you have available, it may be best to forego the espresso and do a pour-over bar and tea.
    Do coffees by the cup. Interact with the customers while you brew. Talk to them about the coffee and about the process.

    Attachment 1561

    The trickiest part is sourcing good coffee. You will either need to import, or hope there is a quality roaster somewhere near or in the region.

    Without good and FRESH coffee beans to start with, nothing else will matter.
    Thank you John for opening my eyes to this idea. I spent good time today reading and watching youtube videos on the pour-over bar. I like it because it is also a visual entertainment. We will also not give up the espresso and latte easily. We are searching ways to get extra funds.

    Regarding the coffee beans, we plan to get the roasted coffee beans from two local suppliers or one of them. They made the best lattes that we tasted so far, so their beans must be good (It would be weird if they are not using their beans for their lattes.) I won't actually buy the beans before I got the barista because he would have more sensitive to coffee taste than myself, so I will make sure he recommends them.
    Last edited by Mustafa_AJR; 01-24-2014 at 06:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tazzadiluna View Post
    I remember reading about accusations that Starbucks funded the Israeli Army/Government when they had locations there. I think that is why they pulled out from there, I'm not 100% sure on that fact. The mermaid/siren logo was also a problem where some claimed that it was actually Queen Esther (Jewish Queen in the Old Testament), instead of a mermaid/siren.

    Starbucks also had to alter their logo in some Arab countries, due to her "lack of modesty"... the altered logo was just a crown floating in the sea. I'm actually wondering what it is now that they removed the wording "Starbucks Coffee" from the logo. Is it just a floating crown on water now? Hardly the Starbucks logo, but I guess it's recognizable in that region.
    The logo accusation above actually happened. I have noticed internet made-up stories usually try to join together multiple evidence and reasons to make a complete story convincing you to agree with their instructions.

    Starbucks logo in Saudi Arabia still has the mermaid and the star. I cannot imagine it without them. I think the that storm already calmed now.
    Last edited by Mustafa_AJR; 01-24-2014 at 06:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronaldaynn View Post
    great idea man ..but you have to maintain quailty must otherwise you will loose.
    Thank you Ronaldayn. There are two things I would never comprise their quality because they the heart of my business: A comfortable setting area, and a high quality coffee.

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    Hi brothers,
    See the floor plan for my coffee shops and let me know your opinion:
    Planning to open new coffee shop at Saudi Arabia-cf1.jpeg
    Planning to open new coffee shop at Saudi Arabia-cf2.jpeg
    Planning to open new coffee shop at Saudi Arabia-cf3.jpeg

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    Our accomplishments in January 2014:
    1. We rented the place and got from the owner the required
    Papers for the municipality approval.
    2. We found out that the municipality requires new business no objection certificate from my company. I received that certificate yesterday.
    3. We prepared the floor plan and shared it with four interior design companies. First and third estimated the 3D design cost to be $1100 and $2600 respectively, but refused to estimate construction cost before completing the 3D design. The second estimated the design and construction to be $15000. We are waiting for the fourth.
    4. The ministry of commerce accepted the name of the coffee shop after rejecting four different names.
    5. We visited the 7 nearest coffee shops to our home for focusing on the operation, tasting the products, and asking the barista if he is aware of anyone who would to work in a coffee shops.
    6. We visited one local supplier of coffee shop equipment and the total cost of espresso machine+ grinder + brewing machine + water heater + cake refrigerator + manual orange squeezer + ice maker + milk shake machine + mixer is around $12000.
    Last edited by Mustafa_AJR; 02-03-2014 at 08:41 AM.

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    Hi Mustafa, what you need to try to do is give them the "American experience'. Give the Saudis a different coffee shop that they wouldn't expect to see in Saudi Arabia. It will cause a lot of positive commotion and people will want to try this new place. Give it an American name and simplistic feel. Where exactly in Saudi Arabia are you doing this? I used to live in Khobar. Conducting business in the USA and in Saudi Arabia are completely different. In Saudi, you don't need to have a lot of morning traffic, you have to have a lot of weekend and evening traffic. If you make it an American-looking place, you will attract the people to go to your shop.

    Good luck!

    Samer

 

 
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