Opening A New Coffee Kiosk...Hopefully!
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- 03-18-2008 03:32 PM #1
Opening A New Coffee Kiosk...Hopefully!
Has anyone been asked to add a "grease trap" to their coffee shop? or worse in a coffee kiosk? I am being asked to add one.
I have written a post here
- 03-18-2008 03:32 PM # ADS
- 03-18-2008 08:58 PM #2
Granted you'll probably wash more oil off your hands in the sink then your espresso machine dumping it down the drain.
Here's a long shot, a very long shot. The TCEQ list the House Bill 1979 Model Standards For a Grease Ordinance on there website. http://www.tceq.state.tx.us/assets/publ ... 9final.pdf
(e) Fats, oils, and greases (FOG) means organic polar compounds derived from animal and/or
plant sources that contain multiple carbon chain triglyceride molecules. These substances
are detectable and measurable using analytical test procedures established in 40 CFR 136,
as may be amended from time to time. All are sometimes referred to herein as "grease" or
The kicker is this line here: These substances are detectable and measurable using analytical test procedures established in 40 CFR 136, as may be amended from time to time.
Mostly you should be interested in 40 CFR 136. God bless the Feds and their online publications. 40 CFR 136 is in reference to:
Title 40--Protection of Environment
CHAPTER I--ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY (CONTINUED)
PART 136--GUIDELINES ESTABLISHING TEST PROCEDURES FOR THE ANALYSIS OF POLLUTANTS
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/wais ... 36_03.html
So your going to have to dive a little deeper and look into section 136.3 Identification of test procedures to find your pollutant. As far as I know coffee isn't listed. So your only avenue left is to contact the EPA directly.
If you can convince the Feds that coffee is practically harmless you will forever be known in the coffee world. But in all honesty the EPA needs find out how much grease coffee and espresso releases as waste. My best guess would be not very much and you would fall under any minimums.
But I don't foresee this working to your advantage and you will most likely find it easier to purchase the smallest system you can buy.Have you ever walked through the isle of your local grocer and smelled the death of a dying bean?
- 03-19-2008 12:47 PM #3
CCafe, aren't grease traps required due to the dairy products used and not the coffee?
If you're not sure, I will check into it. Thanks.Coffee... It's what's for breakfast.
- 03-19-2008 01:04 PM #4
I've pretty much heard the same. I have only met one person who truly found a way around a grease trap. Any drinks made wrong were thrown away in a garbage can. I guess she convinced the local heads that she wasn't going to produce enough grease to fill a gallon container in a year. The only item she had to wash was the steaming pitcher.
She did pretty well at first but ended up closing shop because rent at the local mall for her kiosk was killing her.
As for the argument above, it would make sense to go down that road. I have heard numerous inspectors use coffee as a grease source even if it produces very small amounts. It would be nice to see a ruling that you could lean on. Yes you do or no you don't.Have you ever walked through the isle of your local grocer and smelled the death of a dying bean?
- 03-19-2008 09:36 PM #5
But it does not make sense that Starbucks around the mall do not require a grease trap. And these are full fledged stores.
- 03-19-2008 09:48 PM #6
Believe it or not you most likely can file a grievance if you don't think you can afford a grease trap for your kiosk. Funny thing those grievances are. A retail chain not to far from me did just that when they were building out. They were supposed to install a $20,000 system so they would meet code.
But they filed a grievance and said they couldn't afford it and were awarded it. So now they have a very very small system and have to have it pumped out every week or two. What really gets me is they dumped more then 1/2 million into their shop and they had the backing of a big corporation in Iowa.
But you know how cities work, keep the big guy happy and screw everybody else.Have you ever walked through the isle of your local grocer and smelled the death of a dying bean?
- 03-19-2008 11:35 PM #7
I am told that a pretzel kiosk in the mall got away with using a "grease skimmer" or something. Not sure what that is.
- 03-20-2008 05:01 AM #8
Any way they would allow something like this?
http://www.canplas.com/plumbing/home.ph ... r&page=ids
http://www.apiindustriesinc.org/grease_ ... ilter.html
- 04-12-2008 09:05 PM #9
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