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- 01-27-2017, 12:47 PM #1
Did you know?
This is a thread about some unusual facts or history, experience about coffee.
Here it goes.
One of my stories about "organic coffee". Two years ago, my Taiwan customer asked me to provide "organic coffee" from Huehuetenango, Guatemala.
So, I contacted ASDECAFE (coffee cooperative) in Huehue. (By the way, ASDECAFE is the biggest coffee supplier to Cafeimports in USA. ).
The manager, I forgot his name, sorry, told me that his quota for Organic coffee is still below his limit, so he said that he can supply Organic for us.
Some cooperatives (well known ones) receives certain limits of organic coffee per year. As example, ASDECAFE can certify and sell 1,000,000 pounds of organic coffee per year (as example). that is their maximum. And in this case, he said that he can still sell me 100K pounds of organic coffee. So, I asked him which farm organic we can buy? and he said that "it does not have to be real organic coffee. It can be regular coffee from any farms because I still can get the certificate from Anacafe (Guatemala coffee organization) because we are under the quota and I know someone there, ha ha ha".
A penny for your thoughts?
PS: in case you are curious whether I really sold this "fake" organic coffee to my Taiwan customer or not. I explain the whole situation to him. He wanted to cup it first, and the samples got rejected due to quality.
- 01-27-2017, 03:56 PM #2
Interesting! And, it does not surprise me a bit. Though some who do it are near and dear to me, I laugh at those who pay a premium price for "organic" products. In the first place, I doubt the claim of "organic' to start with and, secondly, I doubt the supposed benefits of organic products. To each his own.
- 01-28-2017, 09:47 AM #3
- 01-29-2017, 09:12 AM #4
Did you know that some farms in Guatemala use "finger nail color" to have coffee pickers to pick the "Ripe colored coffee cherries" when harvest season comes around, Specially for the new workers. (this is a photo that one of my farms in Huehuetenango showed me last year.)
Some of members might think that "it is kind of stupid not knowing the right cherry color".
But, you have to realize that some buyers want certain types of cheeries to be picked. Some of them prefers "slightly over-riped cherries" to bring out bit more sweetness in the case of the photo nail color.
Also, the most difficult "ripe cherry" to pick is Yellow bourbon or Yellow caturra. and so as Pink Bourbon. For the buyers who buys these types of very specialty beans, they want the workers to pick exactly perfectly ripe colors to get the perfect beans they are looking for.
- 01-29-2017, 06:41 PM #5
That's pretty dope. With regards to organic vs inorganic (?), well... you only live once. I think if I really wanted to I'd get organic products. But hey, you do you.
- 01-30-2017, 09:49 AM #6
- 01-30-2017, 12:01 PM #7
All of this is very interesting, thank you for sharing it.
- 01-30-2017, 12:01 PM #8
By the way, most of the Organic certified farms are the Poorest farms in Guatemala, specially in Huehuetenango.
the reason? very simple.
to buy Chemical fertilizers, it costs 3 to 4 times more than Organic fertilizers.
so, more likely, smaller scale and poor farms that do not have capitals to buy chemicals, they go with Organic program.
however, as we all know, organic fertilizer produces about 25% less coffee production than chemical fertilizers, so they yield less and just get few cents more for Organic than normal. which means "endless bad cycle" for them.
- 01-30-2017, 12:03 PM #9
thank you, Seb.
I work in Guatemala as coffee grower, roaster and exporter of beans, so I have a lot of interesting stories to share.
anyway, I appreciate the fact that you are enjoying the threads.
- 01-30-2017, 05:46 PM #10
Did you know that 99.999% in Guatemala, the coffee farmers dry their beans ether on patio (99%) or in a huge coffee drying machine (0.999%). (think of it as an house size laundry dryer).
But when I visited one of our milling company, Servex, we have found this portable coffee bean drying apparatus.
Quite interesting looking and it works real fast.