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    hi again,
    Ben Heins is the owner's name, www.croptocup.com in NY.

    for LCL shipping, you must work with shipping company that handles "coffee only", not other goods.
    if you have time, give Kevin (the owner of Theta Ridge coffee in IN) a call. he is a very nice guy and he might be able to give you some coffee LCL shipping company info.

    since you said "I'm aiming at a luxury type coffee market", it will be very tough for you to bring only Indonesian beans and target Luxury market (well.... Luwak is out of the questions for so many reasons....and please do not get into it anyway. so many things are wrong about Luwak coffee), Honestly, Indonesia beans are not really considered as Luxury beans....

    Besides the crazy and stupidly priced beans such, luwak, JBM, Kona, the countries that produce Luxury beans are :
    #1 Ethiopia
    #2 Kenya
    #3 Colombia
    #4 Guatemala and so on.

    Indonesia is kind of bottom of the list. unfortunately.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensoluna View Post
    hi again,
    Ben Heins is the owner's name, www.croptocup.com in NY.

    for LCL shipping, you must work with shipping company that handles "coffee only", not other goods.
    if you have time, give Kevin (the owner of Theta Ridge coffee in IN) a call. he is a very nice guy and he might be able to give you some coffee LCL shipping company info.

    since you said "I'm aiming at a luxury type coffee market", it will be very tough for you to bring only Indonesian beans and target Luxury market (well.... Luwak is out of the questions for so many reasons....and please do not get into it anyway. so many things are wrong about Luwak coffee), Honestly, Indonesia beans are not really considered as Luxury beans....

    Besides the crazy and stupidly priced beans such, luwak, JBM, Kona, the countries that produce Luxury beans are :
    #1 Ethiopia
    #2 Kenya
    #3 Colombia
    #4 Guatemala and so on.

    Indonesia is kind of bottom of the list. unfortunately.....

    I'm surprised that Indonesia would be at the bottom of the list. I believe what make a good coffee plantation is the high at which the crop grow, the acidity level of the soil. The best coffee always come from Volcanic area which has the required altitude level and soils. Since Indonesia is in the ring of fire and count more volcano than any other country in the world, I would have tough they produce a very good product. Also, without forgetting Java which is a synonyme of coffee now a day because of the history of coffee producer.


    Can you tell me more about why Indonesia rank that low?

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    I see that you seen my other post about Kopi Luwak :P

    Another time, we could debate about our opinion about it :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by javanize.me View Post
    I'm surprised that Indonesia would be at the bottom of the list. I believe what make a good coffee plantation is the high at which the crop grow, the acidity level of the soil. The best coffee always come from Volcanic area which has the required altitude level and soils. Since Indonesia is in the ring of fire and count more volcano than any other country in the world, I would have tough they produce a very good product. Also, without forgetting Java which is a synonyme of coffee now a day because of the history of coffee producer.
    Can you tell me more about why Indonesia rank that low?
    okay, here is the explanation. Below thread was done by me on March 15, 2015.
    Basically, the biggest reason (why rank so low) is due to the Wet-hulling process in Indonesia. Since it rains like crazy and has so much humidity, they can not process the beans with Natural nor regular washed process which produces more "fine" and "detailed" flavors. Also, another big problem is that Indonesian farmers want their money ASAP, so they can not really wait a month or more to get them processed regular ways (Natural, honey or washed), so they use Wet-hulled which cuts down the process by less than half of time. But again, Wet hulling process is not the ideal process to produce specialty coffees. if you research about Well hulled process in Indonesia more, you will really know about Indonesia coffee / farmers situation.


    WET-HULLING PROCESS is specific to Indonesia and creates unique flavors : MORE BODY, LOWER ACIDITY, BUT COMPROMISE IN SWEETNESS AND AROMA!

    I do not want you guys to get confused between Wet hulled vs. Wet process. Huge Difference.

    Wet process : commonly done in Latin America, Kenya, Rwandas, Burundi
    Cherry is pulped - in a tank (water or without) to ferment for hours (depends on ambiance temperatures and weather. hotter/humid, less time. colder/dryer, more time) - mucilage will be washed off and dried on patio until 11% moisture level on the beans. - 30 days resting period (this is when the actual better cupping profile develops)

    Wet Hulled : COMMONLY DONE IS SUMATRA & SULAWESI REGIONS.
    Cherry is pulped - ferment like wet process - dry the wet parchment until 50% moisture level !!!!!

    (WHY THIS PROCESS? THEY DO NOT WANT TO WAIT LONG TIME TO DRY THEM UNTIL 11% AND SELL THEM. THEY WANT TO SELL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO GET THEIR MONEY. specially Indonesia weather is very hot and humid, so it will take twice or even longer than Latin countries or African countries to dry their beans up to 11% level)

    - the buyer buys from farmers and dries the beans until is has 25 - 35% level. then use huge dry huller to peel the parchment (need a lot more friction and a lot more defects, of course) - dry the "naked bean without parchment" on patio and they DRY REALLY FAST. - sell the beans to overseas IN LESS THAN A MONTH. (no parchment on the beans, so they must be sold real quick, if not they will get damaged and spoiled due to weather conditions)
    Last edited by ensoluna; 03-28-2016 at 01:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensoluna View Post
    okay, here is the explanation. Below thread was done by me on March 15, 2015.
    Basically, the biggest reason (why rank so low) is due to the Wet-hulling process in Indonesia. Since it rains like crazy and has so much humidity, they can not process the beans with Natural nor regular washed process which produces more "fine" and "detailed" flavors. Also, another big problem is that Indonesian farmers want their money ASAP, so they can not really wait a month or more to get them processed regular ways (Natural, honey or washed), so they use Wet-hulled which cuts down the process by less than half of time. But again, Wet hulling process is not the ideal process to produce specialty coffees. if you research about Well hulled process in Indonesia more, you will really know about Indonesia coffee / farmers situation.


    WET-HULLING PROCESS is specific to Indonesia and creates unique flavors : MORE BODY, LOWER ACIDITY, BUT COMPROMISE IN SWEETNESS AND AROMA!

    I do not want you guys to get confused between Wet hulled vs. Wet process. Huge Difference.

    Wet process : commonly done in Latin America, Kenya, Rwandas, Burundi
    Cherry is pulped - in a tank (water or without) to ferment for hours (depends on ambiance temperatures and weather. hotter/humid, less time. colder/dryer, more time) - mucilage will be washed off and dried on patio until 11% moisture level on the beans. - 30 days resting period (this is when the actual better cupping profile develops)

    Wet Hulled : COMMONLY DONE IS SUMATRA & SULAWESI REGIONS.
    Cherry is pulped - ferment like wet process - dry the wet parchment until 50% moisture level !!!!!

    (WHY THIS PROCESS? THEY DO NOT WANT TO WAIT LONG TIME TO DRY THEM UNTIL 11% AND SELL THEM. THEY WANT TO SELL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO GET THEIR MONEY. specially Indonesia weather is very hot and humid, so it will take twice or even longer than Latin countries or African countries to dry their beans up to 11% level)

    - the buyer buys from farmers and dries the beans until is has 25 - 35% level. then use huge dry huller to peel the parchment (need a lot more friction and a lot more defects, of course) - dry the "naked bean without parchment" on patio and they DRY REALLY FAST. - sell the beans to overseas IN LESS THAN A MONTH. (no parchment on the beans, so they must be sold real quick, if not they will get damaged and spoiled due to weather conditions)

    It is definitely great informations you provided. In my mind Web hulled was a better process and gave a nice blue taint to the beans. You popped my bubble :P better thing that I know exactly what it is about. This is a bit disapointing for Indonesian coffee. This is something to think about now as my only way to make it livable as a business is to make it as a premium product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by javanize.me View Post
    It is definitely great informations you provided. In my mind Web hulled was a better process and gave a nice blue taint to the beans. You popped my bubble :P better thing that I know exactly what it is about. This is a bit disapointing for Indonesian coffee. This is something to think about now as my only way to make it livable as a business is to make it as a premium product.

    Indonesia/Wet Hulled beans are mostly used for espresso blend due to its heavy body and lack of acidity. You can not really use them for premium product (I guess you meant specialty coffee/micro lots) which demands much more money from customers.

    I am not so sure whether you are familiar with specialty /micro/nano lot or not, but specialty coffee means 85 points & up on SCAA cupping scores. the coffee must have all the flavors & aromas that are required to be specialty coffee and some of the biggest flavors/aroma..etc are "sweetness, acidity and clean after taste..etc" which lack big time with Indonesian coffees.

    that is why they people talk about the best countries for the best coffees.... Ethiopia, Kenya, Colombia & Guatemala in this order. (I think that you need to do some more research or study to do about specialty coffees)

    If I were you, I would buy these great specialty grean beans from most reputable green bean importers in Canada and USA. Of course, pricing won't be cheap and you will have a lot of other roasters/retails to compete with. to say honestly, it won't be easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensoluna View Post
    Indonesia/Wet Hulled beans are mostly used for espresso blend due to its heavy body and lack of acidity. You can not really use them for premium product (I guess you meant specialty coffee/micro lots) which demands much more money from customers.

    I am not so sure whether you are familiar with specialty /micro/nano lot or not, but specialty coffee means 85 points & up on SCAA cupping scores. the coffee must have all the flavors & aromas that are required to be specialty coffee and some of the biggest flavors/aroma..etc are "sweetness, acidity and clean after taste..etc" which lack big time with Indonesian coffees.

    that is why they people talk about the best countries for the best coffees.... Ethiopia, Kenya, Colombia & Guatemala in this order. (I think that you need to do some more research or study to do about specialty coffees)

    If I were you, I would buy these great specialty grean beans from most reputable green bean importers in Canada and USA. Of course, pricing won't be cheap and you will have a lot of other roasters/retails to compete with. to say honestly, it won't be easy.

    Hi Ensolana,

    Once again, I thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise. This is very valuable to me and you are saving me from a potential pitfall. As such, I really appreciate your help.

    I was effectively aiming a business concept where I would sell specialty coffee / micro lots. I hope to be able to find small isolated producer that aim to create a better coffee and doesn't necessary use wet hulled process. If I can find some, then that could become that category of product on the website. Now I will change the strategy and aim more for fair trade and sustainable product and if I can find these special producer add them as product micro lot specialty coffee.

    Now with all that reality check, I think I won't concentrate only on Indonesian coffee for the specialty coffee and include like you said the coffee from the 4 regions you mentionned. My specialty coffee will include worldwide coffee while my eco responsible fair trade section will focus on Indonesia. I believe I can make it work while still mixing worldwide product. Anyway, all this learning phase and starting a business are still good material for a good blog article.


    As per the guatemala coffee, do you do in the specialty coffee? I would be very happy to work with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by javanize.me View Post
    Hi Ensolana,
    As per the guatemala coffee, do you do in the specialty coffee? I would be very happy to work with you.
    I am glad that my postings have been useful to you. that is all it counts.
    as for me and my company, yes, we mostly handle very high grade specialty coffees. ENSOLUNA www.facebook.com/ensolunausa if you check my web & FB, you will have some idea.
    as for working with me, I am very glad to hear that. However, in your case, there might be couple of problems buying from us.

    one : min q'ty per order is about 20 bags/69kgs per bag. and average micro lot pricing is around $4.00 per pound. so your min order will be around $12,000.00 per order which will be bit too much for you.

    second is shipping matter. as I said before, coffee is very difficult to consolidate with other goods or foods, so you need to find some coffee importer who will allow you to piggy bag your shipment into Canada to save the freight cost. and you need someone to clear customs in Canada and do the inland shipping for you.

    anyway, thanks for your kindness and I really wish that you will be successful and if you have any other questions, please let me know.
    Glad to be of your help.

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    Hello all the Canadian guys and here I am very much enjoy to engage my self fully to discuss about coffee with all the coffee lovers and really its cool and I just love to say all of you happy coffee day, is n't it guys. So whats up guys again. Ok from and than I will stay here will give much more time to deal about coffee with all of you..

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    I am interested in importing coffee from Vietnam & India. Any suggestions?

 

 
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