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Posted by jacksonsmamma on 2006-10-03 12:57:23 Post Subject: Gift of Espresso
So my boyfriend wants a Stainless Steel Espresso Maker he said he'd prefer a 2 cup over a 4 cup maker. There are so many out there, I'm not sure which company is the best to get one from. I would like to stay under the $100 range. Any help is greatly appreciated, I don't know much about Espresso Makers, so PLEASE HELP!
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Posted by jacksonsmamma on 2006-10-03 12:57:23 Post Subject: Gift of Espresso
So my boyfriend wants a Stainless Steel Espresso Maker he said he'd prefer a 2 cup over a 4 cup maker. There are so many out there, I'm not sure which company is the best to get one from. I would like to stay under the $100 range. Any help is greatly appreciated, I don't know much about Espresso Makers, so PLEASE HELP!
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View entire thread: Amount of espresso to make?
Posted by bobneaves on 2007-01-09 00:14:06 Post Subject: Amount of espresso to make?
Let me preface this by saying that I am no means a coffee expert or intermediate. I wouldn't really call myself a newbie, because I have no interest in becoming a coffee expert. I just have a question that I have no idea where else to ask! The only coffee drink that I consume is espresso, usually from starbucks, peets, or a local coffee shop if I can find one (I do lots of traveling, so I usually go to whatever is around).
I just purchased a home espresso machine (DeLonghi EC155) nothing fancy - and I know, you can't buy any good espresso maker for less than $1,000, but this machine works for me. Out of the few home espresso makers I've tried, this one is by far the best.
My question - for making double espressos, when should I STOP the machine? Sounds like a dumb question, I know. So I put in two scoops of the ground coffee, put my espresso cup where it needs to go (my cups are 3oz cups), and fill them up to about 2/3 of the way - because one espresso shot is 1oz, correct? So I should fill the 3oz cups 2/3 of the way for a double espresso, correct? When I do this, it doesn't seem to produce quite as much espresso as if I were to get a double espresso from a coffee shop, but I could be wrong. My fears are that if I fill it up too much, it will be more watered down that it should be, or if I don't fill it enough that I'm not only being wasteful, but not getting a full double espresso.
Once again, sorry for my newbie-ism.
Thanks!
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Posted by bobneaves on 2007-01-09 00:14:06 Post Subject: Amount of espresso to make?
Let me preface this by saying that I am no means a coffee expert or intermediate. I wouldn't really call myself a newbie, because I have no interest in becoming a coffee expert. I just have a question that I have no idea where else to ask! The only coffee drink that I consume is espresso, usually from starbucks, peets, or a local coffee shop if I can find one (I do lots of traveling, so I usually go to whatever is around).
I just purchased a home espresso machine (DeLonghi EC155) nothing fancy - and I know, you can't buy any good espresso maker for less than $1,000, but this machine works for me. Out of the few home espresso makers I've tried, this one is by far the best.
My question - for making double espressos, when should I STOP the machine? Sounds like a dumb question, I know. So I put in two scoops of the ground coffee, put my espresso cup where it needs to go (my cups are 3oz cups), and fill them up to about 2/3 of the way - because one espresso shot is 1oz, correct? So I should fill the 3oz cups 2/3 of the way for a double espresso, correct? When I do this, it doesn't seem to produce quite as much espresso as if I were to get a double espresso from a coffee shop, but I could be wrong. My fears are that if I fill it up too much, it will be more watered down that it should be, or if I don't fill it enough that I'm not only being wasteful, but not getting a full double espresso.
Once again, sorry for my newbie-ism.
Thanks!
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View entire thread: Please help- Need advice on Start-Up costs...
Posted by SanFranciscoNative on 2005-02-18 22:09:16 Post Subject: Please help- Need advice on Start-Up costs...
Hello,
I am opening a coffee shop later this year. I know this is really an open question with lots of variables. However, what do you think the average cost of equipment averages in a new shop. Just equipment, grinders, espresso makers, refridge, sinks....25K? could this cover it or am I looking significantly more. I want good quality stuff, not the best, but good.
Thanks for you response and if you simply want to shout out a number without any description, that is fine as well. I will take all advice.
Thanks and Cheers
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Posted by SanFranciscoNative on 2005-02-18 22:09:16 Post Subject: Please help- Need advice on Start-Up costs...
Hello,
I am opening a coffee shop later this year. I know this is really an open question with lots of variables. However, what do you think the average cost of equipment averages in a new shop. Just equipment, grinders, espresso makers, refridge, sinks....25K? could this cover it or am I looking significantly more. I want good quality stuff, not the best, but good.
Thanks for you response and if you simply want to shout out a number without any description, that is fine as well. I will take all advice.
Thanks and Cheers
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View entire thread: Help with my Gaggia Compact!
Posted by Rowley on 2004-09-30 03:56:02 Post Subject:
A simple tip to make your espresso's hotter is to heat the cups beforehand.
Heating the cups is a common trick used when making coffee, in fact some gaggia espresso makers should come with a cup heater sitauted on top of them.
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Posted by Rowley on 2004-09-30 03:56:02 Post Subject:
A simple tip to make your espresso's hotter is to heat the cups beforehand.
Heating the cups is a common trick used when making coffee, in fact some gaggia espresso makers should come with a cup heater sitauted on top of them.
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View entire thread: The best espresso maker and other misc advice...
Posted by bbiizziieebee on 2005-08-20 01:09:17 Post Subject: The best espresso maker and other misc advice...
OK lets get to it!
The Only Way To Make Espresso At Home
Many people on this fourm want a good Espresso maker, something in the 100-250 dollar rage. Lets Clear Something Up Right Now... You need to spend money on an espresso maker try 600-1000.
I would reccomend the Rancillo Silvia for the affectionado who wants the finest coffee. There is another option for those who want pretty good espress without all the work, but ill get to that later.
Other Options
Now If you can not afford to spend so much you have one of two options... A) Spend the money to buy from Starbucks every morning. or B) Drink foldgers because you dont care enough to drink good coffee. Seriously.
A Crime Most At Home Espresso Brewers Are Making
Now on to other pressing questions of the day. How about hard water problems in espresso makers? Here is Another MUST DO for espresso machines...
You need to use distilled water in the resovoir because any other type will BREAK YOUR MACHINE! How you ask? The little particles suspended in your tap(even filtered) water crystalize on the sides of the bolier inside your machine when you heat the water up. Eventually after many uses the crystals build up and block the openings to and from your boiler. No water in or out of the boiler means no coffee. USE DISTILLED WATER!
The Truth About Drip Coffee Makers
I saw a few posts asking about drip coffee makers and they raise a good point. Dp you need an expensive one for good coffee? Unlike Espresso machines when it comes to drip coffee the answer is NO.
All the machines does is strain water through your coffee. The most important fact in drip coffee, believe it or not, is the coarseness of the grind.(Actualyl that applies to espreso too, but that is a lesson for another day)
The coarser the grind the less surface area the water has to extract the oils from the coffee. If the grind is too fine, the water will extract too much of the coffee bean's oils and your coffee will become bitter.
Another factor is how long the water comes in contact with the beans, but the you don't notice the effect with drip coffee(as opposed to espresso where you not only have to worray about grind, but the pressure at which you tamp and temperature of the water, for the above reason. Now can you see why you need to spend more on a good espresso machine? LOL)
The Solution
Invest in a good grinder if anything because then you will be able to precisely control the grind to your preference. If you are going to pay for a feature on your drip coffee maker it should be a timer so you coffee can be ready when you wake up. LOL
An Aside For The Guy With The Roaster Biz
Get a few more accounts. Take Deposits(or take Bigger deposits) They will agree to your terms as long as you keep a straight face. Im dead serious.
The Solution For Lazy People Who Want To Spend Money For Good Coffee At Home (as promised from above)
Starbucks used to sell a machine that makes good coffee, but is also automatic. What I mean by automatic is that it takes the 'work' out of making espresso. It grinds it, stuffs the nozzle, tamps it down, pours the shot, and discards the waste coffee grinds all at the touch of ONE button.
A friend of mine who works at Starbucks has raved about them for so long he convinced me to get one... Unfortunately he has fallen on some hard times and needs to sell his machine - Now I know posting the link might ruffle some feathers here but check out his auction just to see the features on this thing... I think it would suit many of the readers of this board. If the idea of a shameless bribe rubs you the wrong way, I can respect that - and if that is the case I ask you to look at the features and do the best you can to ignore the fact that that particular model is up for bid.
I hope this helps some of you,
-Ryan
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Posted by bbiizziieebee on 2005-08-20 01:09:17 Post Subject: The best espresso maker and other misc advice...
OK lets get to it!
The Only Way To Make Espresso At Home
Many people on this fourm want a good Espresso maker, something in the 100-250 dollar rage. Lets Clear Something Up Right Now... You need to spend money on an espresso maker try 600-1000.
I would reccomend the Rancillo Silvia for the affectionado who wants the finest coffee. There is another option for those who want pretty good espress without all the work, but ill get to that later.
Other Options
Now If you can not afford to spend so much you have one of two options... A) Spend the money to buy from Starbucks every morning. or B) Drink foldgers because you dont care enough to drink good coffee. Seriously.
A Crime Most At Home Espresso Brewers Are Making
Now on to other pressing questions of the day. How about hard water problems in espresso makers? Here is Another MUST DO for espresso machines...
You need to use distilled water in the resovoir because any other type will BREAK YOUR MACHINE! How you ask? The little particles suspended in your tap(even filtered) water crystalize on the sides of the bolier inside your machine when you heat the water up. Eventually after many uses the crystals build up and block the openings to and from your boiler. No water in or out of the boiler means no coffee. USE DISTILLED WATER!
The Truth About Drip Coffee Makers
I saw a few posts asking about drip coffee makers and they raise a good point. Dp you need an expensive one for good coffee? Unlike Espresso machines when it comes to drip coffee the answer is NO.
All the machines does is strain water through your coffee. The most important fact in drip coffee, believe it or not, is the coarseness of the grind.(Actualyl that applies to espreso too, but that is a lesson for another day)
The coarser the grind the less surface area the water has to extract the oils from the coffee. If the grind is too fine, the water will extract too much of the coffee bean's oils and your coffee will become bitter.
Another factor is how long the water comes in contact with the beans, but the you don't notice the effect with drip coffee(as opposed to espresso where you not only have to worray about grind, but the pressure at which you tamp and temperature of the water, for the above reason. Now can you see why you need to spend more on a good espresso machine? LOL)
The Solution
Invest in a good grinder if anything because then you will be able to precisely control the grind to your preference. If you are going to pay for a feature on your drip coffee maker it should be a timer so you coffee can be ready when you wake up. LOL
An Aside For The Guy With The Roaster Biz
Get a few more accounts. Take Deposits(or take Bigger deposits) They will agree to your terms as long as you keep a straight face. Im dead serious.
The Solution For Lazy People Who Want To Spend Money For Good Coffee At Home (as promised from above)
Starbucks used to sell a machine that makes good coffee, but is also automatic. What I mean by automatic is that it takes the 'work' out of making espresso. It grinds it, stuffs the nozzle, tamps it down, pours the shot, and discards the waste coffee grinds all at the touch of ONE button.
A friend of mine who works at Starbucks has raved about them for so long he convinced me to get one... Unfortunately he has fallen on some hard times and needs to sell his machine - Now I know posting the link might ruffle some feathers here but check out his auction just to see the features on this thing... I think it would suit many of the readers of this board. If the idea of a shameless bribe rubs you the wrong way, I can respect that - and if that is the case I ask you to look at the features and do the best you can to ignore the fact that that particular model is up for bid.
I hope this helps some of you,
-Ryan
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View entire thread: HOme use Vs Commercial use Espresso makers
Posted by mascon on 2006-08-15 01:24:52 Post Subject: HOme use Vs Commercial use Espresso makers
As home use Espresso makers is about 5-10 times cheaper than commercial use Espresso makers.
May I know the difference in term of quality of the espresso brew, consistency, and durability of these machines?
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Posted by mascon on 2006-08-15 01:24:52 Post Subject: HOme use Vs Commercial use Espresso makers
As home use Espresso makers is about 5-10 times cheaper than commercial use Espresso makers.
May I know the difference in term of quality of the espresso brew, consistency, and durability of these machines?
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View entire thread: HOme use Vs Commercial use Espresso makers
Posted by mrgnomer on 2006-08-19 21:46:14 Post Subject: Re: HOme use Vs Commercial use Espresso makers
As home use Espresso makers is about 5-10 times cheaper than commercial use Espresso makers.
May I know the difference in term of quality of the espresso brew, consistency, and durability of these machines?
I used to own a Rancilio Silvia espresso machine and a Rancilio Rocky grinder. While that set up wouldn't be considered a cheap home use espresso set up I recently upgraded to a good semi automatic e61 heat exchanger machine and a better commercial quality grinder and my espresso has taken a big leap forward as far as quality and consistency goes.
It depends on what you consider a home use espresso maker. If that's a steam machine an entry level pump machine will make much better espresso. Having owned an entry level pump machine I can say that the lack of adjustablitiy and control with respect to things like the pump pressure and the brew temp really make pulling good shots difficult. A commercial quality machine is adjustable with respect to both it's pump pressure and boiler pressure and with an HX machine getting used to flushing for brew temp isn't hard and once you get understand it you have control of your brew temp and can fine tune it to your tastes.
The difference then between home espresso equipment and commercial grade home equipment would be like the difference between a tool designed to be cheap but do the job for a home handyman who'll use it just once in a while and a quality professional grade tool designed to do the job right. The home tool is adequate but can't be pushed too far nor can one expect much of it while the professional quality tool not only will allow a skilled hand to get excellent results it's good design and quality make it a joy to use.
A good prosumer e61 HX machine will make excellent espresso. With a smaller boiler of around 1.5L steaming buckets of milk might be a problem but pulling back to back shots wouldn't be. A strict commercial machine would most likely be double boiler and both the boilers would probably be pretty big in order to maintain temperature stablity and power for an environment where it'll pull lots of back to back shots and steam for lattes and such. With respect to espresso quality I think the grind, the beans and the hand of the barista will make more of a difference than the machine once you get to the prosumer $1000+ level.
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Posted by mrgnomer on 2006-08-19 21:46:14 Post Subject: Re: HOme use Vs Commercial use Espresso makers
As home use Espresso makers is about 5-10 times cheaper than commercial use Espresso makers.
May I know the difference in term of quality of the espresso brew, consistency, and durability of these machines?
I used to own a Rancilio Silvia espresso machine and a Rancilio Rocky grinder. While that set up wouldn't be considered a cheap home use espresso set up I recently upgraded to a good semi automatic e61 heat exchanger machine and a better commercial quality grinder and my espresso has taken a big leap forward as far as quality and consistency goes.
It depends on what you consider a home use espresso maker. If that's a steam machine an entry level pump machine will make much better espresso. Having owned an entry level pump machine I can say that the lack of adjustablitiy and control with respect to things like the pump pressure and the brew temp really make pulling good shots difficult. A commercial quality machine is adjustable with respect to both it's pump pressure and boiler pressure and with an HX machine getting used to flushing for brew temp isn't hard and once you get understand it you have control of your brew temp and can fine tune it to your tastes.
The difference then between home espresso equipment and commercial grade home equipment would be like the difference between a tool designed to be cheap but do the job for a home handyman who'll use it just once in a while and a quality professional grade tool designed to do the job right. The home tool is adequate but can't be pushed too far nor can one expect much of it while the professional quality tool not only will allow a skilled hand to get excellent results it's good design and quality make it a joy to use.
A good prosumer e61 HX machine will make excellent espresso. With a smaller boiler of around 1.5L steaming buckets of milk might be a problem but pulling back to back shots wouldn't be. A strict commercial machine would most likely be double boiler and both the boilers would probably be pretty big in order to maintain temperature stablity and power for an environment where it'll pull lots of back to back shots and steam for lattes and such. With respect to espresso quality I think the grind, the beans and the hand of the barista will make more of a difference than the machine once you get to the prosumer $1000+ level.
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View entire thread: Decent Home Countertop Espresso Machine
Posted by mrgnomer on 2007-01-03 19:49:07 Post Subject: Re: Decent Home Countertop Espresso Machine
Hi all,
I am looking for a home espresso machine that is good. I've had and used a few, and none seem to produce anything of real quality - I feel like I'm using an EasyBake oven to cook a casserole, if that makes any sense?
How much are you looking at spending?
If you're very serious about good espresso, the best espresso from my experience and from research comes from a semi automatic commercial grade machine and commercial grade grinder. Cost is around $2000US. Fresh roasted beans along with some experience preparing espresso is also required.
For decent espresso the Gaggia line of espresso makers is pretty good. Solis also makes a good semi automatic machine. A very popular but finicky machine is the Rancilio Silvia.
Really good espresso is in the extraction. The fresher the ingredients, the better the grind, the better your hand and the better the machine the more controlled and even the extraction will be giving you a crema and taste rich cup.
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Posted by mrgnomer on 2007-01-03 19:49:07 Post Subject: Re: Decent Home Countertop Espresso Machine
Hi all,
I am looking for a home espresso machine that is good. I've had and used a few, and none seem to produce anything of real quality - I feel like I'm using an EasyBake oven to cook a casserole, if that makes any sense?
How much are you looking at spending?
If you're very serious about good espresso, the best espresso from my experience and from research comes from a semi automatic commercial grade machine and commercial grade grinder. Cost is around $2000US. Fresh roasted beans along with some experience preparing espresso is also required.
For decent espresso the Gaggia line of espresso makers is pretty good. Solis also makes a good semi automatic machine. A very popular but finicky machine is the Rancilio Silvia.
Really good espresso is in the extraction. The fresher the ingredients, the better the grind, the better your hand and the better the machine the more controlled and even the extraction will be giving you a crema and taste rich cup.
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View entire thread: displaying coffee beans
Posted by Sabranie on 2006-05-11 21:41:05 Post Subject:
My advice is to keep it simple. It sounds like you have the location and your menu sounds great as is. Coffee accessories such as tampers, grinders, machines, stove top espresso makers, tea strainers, and ceramic storage jars are always nice too. I would suggest just making sure everything is top notch to start out with, add more later if you feel the need and the customer base is there. Good luck!
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Posted by Sabranie on 2006-05-11 21:41:05 Post Subject:
My advice is to keep it simple. It sounds like you have the location and your menu sounds great as is. Coffee accessories such as tampers, grinders, machines, stove top espresso makers, tea strainers, and ceramic storage jars are always nice too. I would suggest just making sure everything is top notch to start out with, add more later if you feel the need and the customer base is there. Good luck!
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View entire thread: Lmited commercial espresso maker brands for my start up
Posted by mascon on 2006-09-25 00:57:06 Post Subject: Lmited commercial espresso maker brands for my start up
Im looking for a decent 2 group espresso maker
In Malaysia, I have managed to find the available brands of espresso makers as below (arranged from most to least expensive)
i)La Marzocco Linea & FB70
ii)N.S Aurealia
iii)N.S Appiah
iv)Grimac Ten
v)La Scala Carmen
vi)La Scala Eroika
I would like to have comments on the durability and quality on the machines.
Thank you.
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Posted by mascon on 2006-09-25 00:57:06 Post Subject: Lmited commercial espresso maker brands for my start up
Im looking for a decent 2 group espresso maker
In Malaysia, I have managed to find the available brands of espresso makers as below (arranged from most to least expensive)
i)La Marzocco Linea & FB70
ii)N.S Aurealia
iii)N.S Appiah
iv)Grimac Ten
v)La Scala Carmen
vi)La Scala Eroika
I would like to have comments on the durability and quality on the machines.
Thank you.
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View entire thread: Portafilter filters with one little hole
Posted by crema123 on 2007-11-14 22:45:51 Post Subject: Portafilter filters with one little hole
Does anyone have any idea why the home espresso makers portafilter filter sometimes only has one hole right in the middle? The commercial filters, of course, have a filter with a lot of holes, but these one's at the stores have only one hole, but a grating that makes it appear that there are more.
Is this a sign of a piece of junk?
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Posted by crema123 on 2007-11-14 22:45:51 Post Subject: Portafilter filters with one little hole
Does anyone have any idea why the home espresso makers portafilter filter sometimes only has one hole right in the middle? The commercial filters, of course, have a filter with a lot of holes, but these one's at the stores have only one hole, but a grating that makes it appear that there are more.
Is this a sign of a piece of junk?
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View entire thread: Need help on making coffee
Posted by Frihed89 on 2007-12-21 05:48:10 Post Subject: That depends
Some espresso beans, like Daterra, might even taste better as regular coffee than espresso. So, by all means try it out.
To make espresso, you need an espresso-maker.
The traditional italian espresso makers work fine (and are not expensive), but some complain that the metal these are made of pose health risks. All I know is. Italians make the best espresso drinks in the world. Go to Italy and find out!
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Posted by Frihed89 on 2007-12-21 05:48:10 Post Subject: That depends
Some espresso beans, like Daterra, might even taste better as regular coffee than espresso. So, by all means try it out.
To make espresso, you need an espresso-maker.
The traditional italian espresso makers work fine (and are not expensive), but some complain that the metal these are made of pose health risks. All I know is. Italians make the best espresso drinks in the world. Go to Italy and find out!
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View entire thread: Best Home Espresso Machine ~ Suggestions?
Posted by JM on 2005-12-20 12:00:28 Post Subject: Best Home Espresso Machine ~ Suggestions?
After much thought, I've set my heart to the task of making my own espresso at home. It needs to be cheap, tiny in size, any suggestions? I've seen the stove top espresso makers mentioned, any thoughts on this brewing method?
Thank you.
JM
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Posted by JM on 2005-12-20 12:00:28 Post Subject: Best Home Espresso Machine ~ Suggestions?
After much thought, I've set my heart to the task of making my own espresso at home. It needs to be cheap, tiny in size, any suggestions? I've seen the stove top espresso makers mentioned, any thoughts on this brewing method?
Thank you.
JM
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View entire thread: My next coffee investment for the home?!
Posted by shadow745 on 2006-07-02 22:27:21 Post Subject:
It's the first time I've been on since I posted earlier. The bidding has ended. Winning bid was $79 for a nearly $400 machine. Oh well! I know alot of people like the moka pots (stovetop espresso makers), but they're not true espresso makers. Most people describe them as producing very strong coffee, but not the same thing as true pressure brewed espresso. It's kind of like steam-type "espresso machines". They do pressure brew coffee, but it's definitely not the same as pump or lever machines. I know there are alot of options available for coffee lovers and most are affordable. Get a decent grinder and anything is possible with a press, vacuum pot, etc. I've even though of buying an Ibrik and trying Turkish coffee. My Capresso Infinity will grind super-fine, like baby powder, so Turkish might become a possibility. I will say that of all the methods out there, espresso is definitely the toughest to master. You have to have a decent machine, grinder and alot (quote ALOT) of practice and patience to produce repeatable results. It's not easy, but the best things in life don't come easy. Later!
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Posted by shadow745 on 2006-07-02 22:27:21 Post Subject:
It's the first time I've been on since I posted earlier. The bidding has ended. Winning bid was $79 for a nearly $400 machine. Oh well! I know alot of people like the moka pots (stovetop espresso makers), but they're not true espresso makers. Most people describe them as producing very strong coffee, but not the same thing as true pressure brewed espresso. It's kind of like steam-type "espresso machines". They do pressure brew coffee, but it's definitely not the same as pump or lever machines. I know there are alot of options available for coffee lovers and most are affordable. Get a decent grinder and anything is possible with a press, vacuum pot, etc. I've even though of buying an Ibrik and trying Turkish coffee. My Capresso Infinity will grind super-fine, like baby powder, so Turkish might become a possibility. I will say that of all the methods out there, espresso is definitely the toughest to master. You have to have a decent machine, grinder and alot (quote ALOT) of practice and patience to produce repeatable results. It's not easy, but the best things in life don't come easy. Later!
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View entire thread: Mukka Express
Posted by topher on 2005-10-19 03:23:04 Post Subject:
i have never heard of mukka...did you mean mokka? Bialetti make nice stove top epsresso makers...They can be quite pricey though. I had a friend go to Italy about 10 years ago...she knew that I thought these where smart looking pots...so she bought me 3 different sized ones...I said holy crap you shouldn't have done that..see in the states they where running between $40- $80 depending on the size...she said they cost her about 15 dollars each over there...so if you can pick them up cheap go for it....we are talking about the S/S stove top espresso makers?
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Posted by topher on 2005-10-19 03:23:04 Post Subject:
i have never heard of mukka...did you mean mokka? Bialetti make nice stove top epsresso makers...They can be quite pricey though. I had a friend go to Italy about 10 years ago...she knew that I thought these where smart looking pots...so she bought me 3 different sized ones...I said holy crap you shouldn't have done that..see in the states they where running between $40- $80 depending on the size...she said they cost her about 15 dollars each over there...so if you can pick them up cheap go for it....we are talking about the S/S stove top espresso makers?
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View entire thread: La Cimbali Espresso Machine Help
Posted by CCafe on 2008-07-07 15:13:03 Post Subject:
As long as your boiler is pressurized then it will act as a backflow preventer. Even when the gaskets in the steam valve begin to fail it will push out any milk left behind.
Now if you shut off your machine and your vacuum valve (gravity valve, anti-suction valve they are all the same thing) is stuck in the closed position this could lead to milk being introduced to the boiler. This is one of the reasons why you shouldn't soak your steam arms in water overnight. If your steam valve has even a small leak then the boiler will try to equalize itself using the valve and sucking up the water until the boiler pressure equalized to the ambient pressure.
Now there are a few espresso makers out there that have some sort of backflow preventer built in to the steam valve. Most of the time I encounter them they are already broken and I just remove them from the system.
Let me reiterate something. The vacuum valve is really the key issue to milk being drawn in to the boiler. The purpose of the valve is to equalize the pressure in the boiler after the machine has turned off. If the valve is stuck closed the boiler has no way do draw outside air back in to itself. Therefore the steam the boiler created will turn back in to water. Thus creating a vacuum in your boiler.
You get the same effect when you open canned goods. That air sound you hear is air rushing in to the can. The contents were put in the can hot and then sealed. When the can cooled it created a small vacuum.
This is where bad barista skills will wreck the machine.
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Posted by CCafe on 2008-07-07 15:13:03 Post Subject:
As long as your boiler is pressurized then it will act as a backflow preventer. Even when the gaskets in the steam valve begin to fail it will push out any milk left behind.
Now if you shut off your machine and your vacuum valve (gravity valve, anti-suction valve they are all the same thing) is stuck in the closed position this could lead to milk being introduced to the boiler. This is one of the reasons why you shouldn't soak your steam arms in water overnight. If your steam valve has even a small leak then the boiler will try to equalize itself using the valve and sucking up the water until the boiler pressure equalized to the ambient pressure.
Now there are a few espresso makers out there that have some sort of backflow preventer built in to the steam valve. Most of the time I encounter them they are already broken and I just remove them from the system.
Let me reiterate something. The vacuum valve is really the key issue to milk being drawn in to the boiler. The purpose of the valve is to equalize the pressure in the boiler after the machine has turned off. If the valve is stuck closed the boiler has no way do draw outside air back in to itself. Therefore the steam the boiler created will turn back in to water. Thus creating a vacuum in your boiler.
You get the same effect when you open canned goods. That air sound you hear is air rushing in to the can. The contents were put in the can hot and then sealed. When the can cooled it created a small vacuum.
This is where bad barista skills will wreck the machine.
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Posted by SanFranciscoNative on 2005-02-18 22:01:27 Post Subject: Please help on Start-Up costs. Need advice....
Hello,
I am opening a coffee shop later this year. I know this is really an open question with lots of variables. However, what do you think the average cost of equipment averages in a new shop. Just equipment, grinders, espresso makers, refridge, sinks....25K? could this cover it or am I looking significantly more. I want good quality stuff, not the best, but good.
Thanks for you response and if you simply want to shout out a number without any description, that is fine as well. I will take all advice.
Thanks and Cheers
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Posted by SanFranciscoNative on 2005-02-18 22:01:27 Post Subject: Please help on Start-Up costs. Need advice....
Hello,
I am opening a coffee shop later this year. I know this is really an open question with lots of variables. However, what do you think the average cost of equipment averages in a new shop. Just equipment, grinders, espresso makers, refridge, sinks....25K? could this cover it or am I looking significantly more. I want good quality stuff, not the best, but good.
Thanks for you response and if you simply want to shout out a number without any description, that is fine as well. I will take all advice.
Thanks and Cheers
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Posted by upnorthcoffee on 2005-03-30 02:30:58 Post Subject: Re: Please help on Start-Up costs. Need advice....
Hello,
I am opening a coffee shop later this year. I know this is really an open question with lots of variables. However, what do you think the average cost of equipment averages in a new shop. Just equipment, grinders, espresso makers, refridge, sinks....25K? could this cover it or am I looking significantly more. I want good quality stuff, not the best, but good.
Thanks for you response and if you simply want to shout out a number without any description, that is fine as well. I will take all advice.
Thanks and Cheers
Contact me for quality used equipment if you want to save on start-up costs. If you want a warranty, I'll sell new equipment too.
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Posted by upnorthcoffee on 2005-03-30 02:30:58 Post Subject: Re: Please help on Start-Up costs. Need advice....
Hello,
I am opening a coffee shop later this year. I know this is really an open question with lots of variables. However, what do you think the average cost of equipment averages in a new shop. Just equipment, grinders, espresso makers, refridge, sinks....25K? could this cover it or am I looking significantly more. I want good quality stuff, not the best, but good.
Thanks for you response and if you simply want to shout out a number without any description, that is fine as well. I will take all advice.
Thanks and Cheers
Contact me for quality used equipment if you want to save on start-up costs. If you want a warranty, I'll sell new equipment too.
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View entire thread: portable coffee makers for camping etc
Posted by npkeith on 2006-09-15 10:55:21 Post Subject:
Where have you guys been? REI has been selling lexan (polycarbonate) french presses in several sizes for something like 10 years. The last time I was at REI (about 2 weeks ago) I saw: adaptors to turn your 1 liter nalgene bottle into a press, a Jet-boil system (boils a liter of water in something like a minute and a half) that has a press built in, and an insulated travel mug with a press build into the lid. In addition to that, there are gold mesh cups that fit into any coffee mug, and a little aluminum espresso makers to put on your stove (makes 1 shot, uses a pressure process like the italian stove-top coffee pots). I've even seen a coffee maker that looks like a mister coffee, but made of metal, that is designed to fit on a standard green coleman stove and makes 10 cups!
Personally, I use a 1 cup melitta with #2 filters, and I can boil water in whatever... Much less to pack, and I could even burn the filter and used grounds if I was in a leave-no-trace mode. I have the portable french press, but cleanup is a pain if you have to filter your water and have to use minimal or biodegradable soap/detergent.
I'm thinking about trying the Aerobie AeroPress - cleanup is easy, the little filters are easy to pack, and the water doesn't have to be near boiling so it saves fuel. It does look like it needs a lot of coffee though...
-Keith
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Posted by npkeith on 2006-09-15 10:55:21 Post Subject:
Where have you guys been? REI has been selling lexan (polycarbonate) french presses in several sizes for something like 10 years. The last time I was at REI (about 2 weeks ago) I saw: adaptors to turn your 1 liter nalgene bottle into a press, a Jet-boil system (boils a liter of water in something like a minute and a half) that has a press built in, and an insulated travel mug with a press build into the lid. In addition to that, there are gold mesh cups that fit into any coffee mug, and a little aluminum espresso makers to put on your stove (makes 1 shot, uses a pressure process like the italian stove-top coffee pots). I've even seen a coffee maker that looks like a mister coffee, but made of metal, that is designed to fit on a standard green coleman stove and makes 10 cups!
Personally, I use a 1 cup melitta with #2 filters, and I can boil water in whatever... Much less to pack, and I could even burn the filter and used grounds if I was in a leave-no-trace mode. I have the portable french press, but cleanup is a pain if you have to filter your water and have to use minimal or biodegradable soap/detergent.
I'm thinking about trying the Aerobie AeroPress - cleanup is easy, the little filters are easy to pack, and the water doesn't have to be near boiling so it saves fuel. It does look like it needs a lot of coffee though...
-Keith
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View entire thread: Aeropress question for experienced users.
Posted by cloudsipper on 2007-11-06 08:13:37 Post Subject:
Making 16 oz --> recommend making 2 cups (2 scoops beans-300 ml in the plunger) x 2 , add water to taste. That would be a total of 4 scoops of beans.
Re-using grinds-->
NO! the second pass of water through the grounds would be thin and bitter (sound like Folgers?)
The important flavoring oils are extracted in the first few seconds (espresso makers extract it in 25 sec).
Americano is simply dilute espresso and *can* be pretty tasty. If I'm out someplace and REALLY need a cup of coffee I get an Americano (usually with an extra shot or 2 of espresso) It is clearly superior to coffee that was brewed an hour ago, and left to aquire that "old socks" flavor that only a hot plate warmer can give! There are exceptions!!
Most of us look at *$s as a "fast-food" version of coffee, but some *$s will prepare a french press of pretty much any coffee they carry. (I think it's inconsiderate to ask for a french press when there is a line of people). Some of the newer ones won't even know what you're talking about! A French press should be made with fairly coarse coffee, steeped for ~5 minutes and pressed just before you pour it into your cup. It will make a "Venti" plus a "Tall". Great to share with someone. There will be some coffee which gets through the plunger screen forming coffee 'sludge'.
Some people actually prefer a bit of residue in their coffee and it definitely boosts the caffeine.
You can duplicate this with an AEROPRESS!
First go to Target or Wal-Mart and buy a gold mesh cone filter. ~ $5
1) Using one of the Aeropress filters as a pattern, cut (kitchen shears work well) a circle of mesh exactly the same size as the paper filter.
2) * Note it gets different here !
3) place the mesh in the black filter holder, but don't put he filter holder on the barrel yet.
4) Place the plunger slightly into the barrel and turn the whole assembly upside down.
5) put (coarsly) ground coffee into the barrel.
6) add (Hot! ) water. should be ~200F (quite a bit hotter than you would normally use for Aeropress) If you boil water at sea level, let it sit for about a minute and it will be pretty close to 200F.
7) Stir, let steep for 4-6 minutes
Put the filter holder contaning the mesh filter on the barrel and tighten it. Be careful, the whole assembly is a little precarious at this point, and it is full of very hot coffee.
9) Invert the whole thing over your cup and push the plunger down. Voila!
the french press result and a heck of a lot easier to clean up.
Obviously you want to salvage the mesh screen for re-use.
10)This will yield quite strong, well caffeinated coffee (and that sludge in the bottom of your cup that some find so appealing)
I share your angst about company coffee rooms, Initially, no one drank his coffee as strong as I liked it. This place used air-pots, some dreck and I would brew (some of my own roast) 1/2 a pot using 2 to 3 times as much coffee grounds as they would. I labeled it "Al's special xxx' - Strong , dilute to taste." and left it in the coffee room. Surprisingly, many people started drinking it and were upset when the 'Special' was missing. I also kept an Aeropress in my desk for an 'emergency'.
enjoy!
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Posted by cloudsipper on 2007-11-06 08:13:37 Post Subject:
Making 16 oz --> recommend making 2 cups (2 scoops beans-300 ml in the plunger) x 2 , add water to taste. That would be a total of 4 scoops of beans.
Re-using grinds-->
NO! the second pass of water through the grounds would be thin and bitter (sound like Folgers?)
The important flavoring oils are extracted in the first few seconds (espresso makers extract it in 25 sec).
Americano is simply dilute espresso and *can* be pretty tasty. If I'm out someplace and REALLY need a cup of coffee I get an Americano (usually with an extra shot or 2 of espresso) It is clearly superior to coffee that was brewed an hour ago, and left to aquire that "old socks" flavor that only a hot plate warmer can give! There are exceptions!!
Most of us look at *$s as a "fast-food" version of coffee, but some *$s will prepare a french press of pretty much any coffee they carry. (I think it's inconsiderate to ask for a french press when there is a line of people). Some of the newer ones won't even know what you're talking about! A French press should be made with fairly coarse coffee, steeped for ~5 minutes and pressed just before you pour it into your cup. It will make a "Venti" plus a "Tall". Great to share with someone. There will be some coffee which gets through the plunger screen forming coffee 'sludge'.
Some people actually prefer a bit of residue in their coffee and it definitely boosts the caffeine.
You can duplicate this with an AEROPRESS!
First go to Target or Wal-Mart and buy a gold mesh cone filter. ~ $5
1) Using one of the Aeropress filters as a pattern, cut (kitchen shears work well) a circle of mesh exactly the same size as the paper filter.
2) * Note it gets different here !
3) place the mesh in the black filter holder, but don't put he filter holder on the barrel yet.
4) Place the plunger slightly into the barrel and turn the whole assembly upside down.
5) put (coarsly) ground coffee into the barrel.
6) add (Hot! ) water. should be ~200F (quite a bit hotter than you would normally use for Aeropress) If you boil water at sea level, let it sit for about a minute and it will be pretty close to 200F.
7) Stir, let steep for 4-6 minutes
Put the filter holder contaning the mesh filter on the barrel and tighten it. Be careful, the whole assembly is a little precarious at this point, and it is full of very hot coffee. 9) Invert the whole thing over your cup and push the plunger down. Voila!
the french press result and a heck of a lot easier to clean up.
Obviously you want to salvage the mesh screen for re-use.
10)This will yield quite strong, well caffeinated coffee (and that sludge in the bottom of your cup that some find so appealing)
I share your angst about company coffee rooms, Initially, no one drank his coffee as strong as I liked it. This place used air-pots, some dreck and I would brew (some of my own roast) 1/2 a pot using 2 to 3 times as much coffee grounds as they would. I labeled it "Al's special xxx' - Strong , dilute to taste." and left it in the coffee room. Surprisingly, many people started drinking it and were upset when the 'Special' was missing. I also kept an Aeropress in my desk for an 'emergency'.
enjoy!
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Posted by richedie on 2006-07-02 18:18:04 Post Subject: Re: I Need To Explain!!!
You may have misunderstood my last post. What I'm trying to say is that the CapressoBAR is drip on one side and the other side of the unit is a full featured pump espresso machine. With that side you can make any type of espresso-based drinks you'd ever want. Espresso, lattes, cappuccino, cafe americano, etc. You can also dispense hot water for tea, hot chocolate, etc. The bid is still only $79 with 8 hrs. to go. After having one for almost 1 year I'm totally satisfied. I have read alot of people's comments regarding French Presses and vacuum pots and most people love them once they lock onto the perfect coffee/water combination. Anyway, just a suggestion if you wanted to venture into the espresso world for a great price. Later!
I meant to say...I thought drip was not the way to go......
Anyway, I couldn't find that on ebay. Do you have a link???
I am wondering because a friend loves espresso and swears by stovetop espresso makers like the Brikka maker.
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Posted by richedie on 2006-07-02 18:18:04 Post Subject: Re: I Need To Explain!!!
You may have misunderstood my last post. What I'm trying to say is that the CapressoBAR is drip on one side and the other side of the unit is a full featured pump espresso machine. With that side you can make any type of espresso-based drinks you'd ever want. Espresso, lattes, cappuccino, cafe americano, etc. You can also dispense hot water for tea, hot chocolate, etc. The bid is still only $79 with 8 hrs. to go. After having one for almost 1 year I'm totally satisfied. I have read alot of people's comments regarding French Presses and vacuum pots and most people love them once they lock onto the perfect coffee/water combination. Anyway, just a suggestion if you wanted to venture into the espresso world for a great price. Later!
I meant to say...I thought drip was not the way to go......
Anyway, I couldn't find that on ebay. Do you have a link???
I am wondering because a friend loves espresso and swears by stovetop espresso makers like the Brikka maker.
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Posted by McSooner on 2005-05-27 22:45:55 Post Subject: Drive thru equipment redundancy question.
First, let me say that this forum is a wealth of information. I'm in the process of starting a business plan for a drive thru in a town of just over 100,000. We have three *$'s, but two are grocery stores. Other than that, there are no real coffee shops.
My question involves the equipment for making drinks. Unfortunately, I'm not really clear yet on how many cups a day to expect, but I'm working on it. Is it a smart idea to to be redundant with espresso makers, blenders, airpot brewers, etc...? Assuming that a 2 group espresso maker could handle most output needed, but if it were to go down for whatever reason, you'd be up a creek. Would one be better off by purchasing seperate 1 group machines for redundancy?
Any suggestions along this line of thought would be greatly appreciated.
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Posted by McSooner on 2005-05-27 22:45:55 Post Subject: Drive thru equipment redundancy question.
First, let me say that this forum is a wealth of information. I'm in the process of starting a business plan for a drive thru in a town of just over 100,000. We have three *$'s, but two are grocery stores. Other than that, there are no real coffee shops.
My question involves the equipment for making drinks. Unfortunately, I'm not really clear yet on how many cups a day to expect, but I'm working on it. Is it a smart idea to to be redundant with espresso makers, blenders, airpot brewers, etc...? Assuming that a 2 group espresso maker could handle most output needed, but if it were to go down for whatever reason, you'd be up a creek. Would one be better off by purchasing seperate 1 group machines for redundancy?
Any suggestions along this line of thought would be greatly appreciated.
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View entire thread: Does good espresso always have to have the cream on top???
Posted by rcs1 on 2005-06-15 19:49:12 Post Subject:
With the small exception that moka pots are incapable of producing actual crema. Yes, they do produce foam, but this foam isn't the same as what sits on top of an actual shot from a pump (or lever) driven machine.
What wasn't mentioned yet is the difference in pressure. The machine from BBB, is steam driven. IE, water heats in a closed chamber, forming vapor pressure, which forces water up a tube to where you have the coffee in the basket. It then is forced through the coffee under the power of steam alone. The maximum pressure of this is around 1.2 bar.
An actual espresso machine is quite different. Basically they work under much higher pressure, using 9 bar (approx 135 psi) to force 197-203 degree water through a finely ground and compacted cake. How it arrives at this pressure can either be through a pump (very common) or a lever (somewhat uncommon).
What you are getting out of your BBB machine isn't espresso, it's strong coffee. The same goes for moka pots. Yes, they are called espresso makers, but they really aren't. True espresso must have the high pressure extraction, because only this is able to produce the emulsion of coffee oils and particles with the water that is truly crema.
Chris
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Posted by rcs1 on 2005-06-15 19:49:12 Post Subject:
With the small exception that moka pots are incapable of producing actual crema. Yes, they do produce foam, but this foam isn't the same as what sits on top of an actual shot from a pump (or lever) driven machine.
What wasn't mentioned yet is the difference in pressure. The machine from BBB, is steam driven. IE, water heats in a closed chamber, forming vapor pressure, which forces water up a tube to where you have the coffee in the basket. It then is forced through the coffee under the power of steam alone. The maximum pressure of this is around 1.2 bar.
An actual espresso machine is quite different. Basically they work under much higher pressure, using 9 bar (approx 135 psi) to force 197-203 degree water through a finely ground and compacted cake. How it arrives at this pressure can either be through a pump (very common) or a lever (somewhat uncommon).
What you are getting out of your BBB machine isn't espresso, it's strong coffee. The same goes for moka pots. Yes, they are called espresso makers, but they really aren't. True espresso must have the high pressure extraction, because only this is able to produce the emulsion of coffee oils and particles with the water that is truly crema.
Chris
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View entire thread: Pod Coffee Makers
Posted by Parts Guru on 2005-01-01 21:40:55 Post Subject:
I would like to agree with the experience of Collective Ink. I do not target any specific brand of pod espresso makers. In general I do not agree with the idea of using Coffee pods. Coffee is not tea that can be packed or should be packed in tissue paper. Coffee is not dried leaf as tea is. Coffee beans go through a sensitive voyage for refinement before it can be enjoyed. Coffee beans go through a blending and specific roasting process. It should be used as quickly as possible after it is roasted and especially after it is ground. Good espresso and its taste is not in short cuts or excessive convenience as promoted by Pods supporters or vendors. Good espresso should also be not sacrificed due to short funds.
I recommend that you wait a few weeks and pool some funds to own a good espresso maker. You need only $350.00 for a decent new pump operated espresso maker that will give you the thrills of good espresso every day. If this budget is high, you can perhaps find one on e-bay for less than $150.00.
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Posted by Parts Guru on 2005-01-01 21:40:55 Post Subject:
I would like to agree with the experience of Collective Ink. I do not target any specific brand of pod espresso makers. In general I do not agree with the idea of using Coffee pods. Coffee is not tea that can be packed or should be packed in tissue paper. Coffee is not dried leaf as tea is. Coffee beans go through a sensitive voyage for refinement before it can be enjoyed. Coffee beans go through a blending and specific roasting process. It should be used as quickly as possible after it is roasted and especially after it is ground. Good espresso and its taste is not in short cuts or excessive convenience as promoted by Pods supporters or vendors. Good espresso should also be not sacrificed due to short funds.
I recommend that you wait a few weeks and pool some funds to own a good espresso maker. You need only $350.00 for a decent new pump operated espresso maker that will give you the thrills of good espresso every day. If this budget is high, you can perhaps find one on e-bay for less than $150.00.
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View entire thread: Best Coffee Maker?
Posted by aabreetech on 2003-11-16 22:41:15 Post Subject:
Everyone is talking about french press coffee makers and how simple they are. Ask yourself this. How fresh is the coffee for your french press. If it real fresh did your grind it yourself? How did you heat your water? Where did you put your carafe? Did you pre-heat your carafe? All this you have to clean up afterwards. All this takes time and space. I love the french press when I am on vacation, because I can pack it in my suitcase. Stove top espresso makers are OK too.
At home I prefer the Capresso Coffee Team. It’s easy, just add water, put in a filter (I like the brown paper) slide the basket under the grinder and 8 minutes I have fresh coffee. Its not the cheap grind n brews that are made in China. These are made in Europe, and they last. If your growing stuff in your filter you had better check your water supply. Had to get that in! Just kidding.
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Posted by aabreetech on 2003-11-16 22:41:15 Post Subject:
Everyone is talking about french press coffee makers and how simple they are. Ask yourself this. How fresh is the coffee for your french press. If it real fresh did your grind it yourself? How did you heat your water? Where did you put your carafe? Did you pre-heat your carafe? All this you have to clean up afterwards. All this takes time and space. I love the french press when I am on vacation, because I can pack it in my suitcase. Stove top espresso makers are OK too.
At home I prefer the Capresso Coffee Team. It’s easy, just add water, put in a filter (I like the brown paper) slide the basket under the grinder and 8 minutes I have fresh coffee. Its not the cheap grind n brews that are made in China. These are made in Europe, and they last. If your growing stuff in your filter you had better check your water supply. Had to get that in! Just kidding.
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View entire thread: Welcome, Introduce Yourself!
Posted by dbar8 on 2004-06-18 08:42:18 Post Subject: Hello
I'm Darlene and I'm new to this forum and hail from a sleepy little town in Virginia (we just got a tiny little Starbucks a few months ago), but have been a member of coffeegeek for quite some time. I am DEVOTED to coffee and have in the past six months or so begun to experiment more and more with espresso. I keep buying espresso makers, moving up a little each time and am enjoying learning about coffee. I look forward to "chatting" with you guys.
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Posted by dbar8 on 2004-06-18 08:42:18 Post Subject: Hello
I'm Darlene and I'm new to this forum and hail from a sleepy little town in Virginia (we just got a tiny little Starbucks a few months ago), but have been a member of coffeegeek for quite some time. I am DEVOTED to coffee and have in the past six months or so begun to experiment more and more with espresso. I keep buying espresso makers, moving up a little each time and am enjoying learning about coffee. I look forward to "chatting" with you guys.
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