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Posted by ChicagoCoffee on 2005-12-10 18:59:11 Post Subject: Coffee Futures Trading
Coffee prices are at a critical juncture. London futures are at a new monthy high, yet NY is near the Nov. low. What's next, for prices? If you would like to learn more please reply to this post or e-mail me @ sab1947@hotmail.com
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Posted by ChicagoCoffee on 2005-12-10 18:59:11 Post Subject: Coffee Futures Trading
Coffee prices are at a critical juncture. London futures are at a new monthy high, yet NY is near the Nov. low. What's next, for prices? If you would like to learn more please reply to this post or e-mail me @ sab1947@hotmail.com
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View entire thread: Have a question
Posted by vivian on 2004-02-28 15:21:51 Post Subject: Have a question
Hi to everyone. I'm from india and own a coffee plantation. I had a couple of questions:
Some of you might be plantation owners or dealers in coffee, how do you predict the market price for coffee, is there any particular source for coffee prices ? i know nybot.com, but does it really reflect the prices in your country. We are at the mercy of local dealers who quote low prices. And any bullish trend in prices cannot be predicted. Its disppointing that as a internet literate that i have not been able to anything.
Any suggestions are very welcome.
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Posted by vivian on 2004-02-28 15:21:51 Post Subject: Have a question
Hi to everyone. I'm from india and own a coffee plantation. I had a couple of questions:
Some of you might be plantation owners or dealers in coffee, how do you predict the market price for coffee, is there any particular source for coffee prices ? i know nybot.com, but does it really reflect the prices in your country. We are at the mercy of local dealers who quote low prices. And any bullish trend in prices cannot be predicted. Its disppointing that as a internet literate that i have not been able to anything.
Any suggestions are very welcome.
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View entire thread: NC Roaster looking for coffee lover to join our team
Posted by kwagner on 2006-08-29 18:31:19 Post Subject:
Hi, I am in the process of finding information on opening a drive thru coffee shop in NC. I would be interested in finding out more about your coffee. Prices, etc. Please let me know, thanks!
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Posted by kwagner on 2006-08-29 18:31:19 Post Subject:
Hi, I am in the process of finding information on opening a drive thru coffee shop in NC. I would be interested in finding out more about your coffee. Prices, etc. Please let me know, thanks!
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View entire thread: Nuff for the foreseeable future, TG!
Posted by tintinet on 2003-11-05 12:53:04 Post Subject: Nuff for the foreseeable future, TG!
LONDON (Reuters) - Coffee prices fell on Wednesday on futures markets, with speculators looking to sell, against a background of a favorable supply outlook, traders said.
"We have seen speculator selling. I don't think there has been much fund selling but definitely some origin (producer) pressure as well," a trader said.
Expectations of a smaller conillon (bean) harvest in Brazil next season than initially anticipated, due to dry weather, had supported prices on Tuesday. However, large stocks in Europe should cover any potential production deficit.
"It is raining now (over Brazilian conillon areas) but it is very unlikely to improve. The harvest is only going to give out whatever is in the trees," another trader said.
Others said fresh coffee coming from Brazil, Colombia and Vietnam should limit the upside in the short term, with the world's top robusta producer about to enter into the peak of its 2003/04 harvest.
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Posted by tintinet on 2003-11-05 12:53:04 Post Subject: Nuff for the foreseeable future, TG!
LONDON (Reuters) - Coffee prices fell on Wednesday on futures markets, with speculators looking to sell, against a background of a favorable supply outlook, traders said.
"We have seen speculator selling. I don't think there has been much fund selling but definitely some origin (producer) pressure as well," a trader said.
Expectations of a smaller conillon (bean) harvest in Brazil next season than initially anticipated, due to dry weather, had supported prices on Tuesday. However, large stocks in Europe should cover any potential production deficit.
"It is raining now (over Brazilian conillon areas) but it is very unlikely to improve. The harvest is only going to give out whatever is in the trees," another trader said.
Others said fresh coffee coming from Brazil, Colombia and Vietnam should limit the upside in the short term, with the world's top robusta producer about to enter into the peak of its 2003/04 harvest.
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View entire thread: NPR Story on Coffee Growers Strife in Central, South America
Posted by tintinet on 2003-10-03 12:35:54 Post Subject: More on Coffee Growers, Pricing, etc.
From The Observer "Best daily newspaper
on the world wide web" :
The backdrop to the coffee growers' problems is the collapse in commodity prices, caused by oversupply, a lack of competition among buyers and hypocritical trade rules. 'It's exacerbated by international advice to developing countries to all produce coffee. And there used to be an international coffee agreement that guaranteed a fixed price,' says Lamb.
For instance, Vietnam recently began producing coffee and now supplies 10 per cent of the world market.
Coffee sells on world markets for about 35p a kilo, while a bag of coffee for use in a cafe costs around 16 times that amount. The mark-up is excellent for the end-user or the Nestlés of the world, but the price paid to coffee producers has been pitiful, especially when set against the rewards for cultivating drugs. Independent reports show that oversupply in the coffee market - and the slump in coffee prices from £2,800 per tonne in 1995 to today's £350 - has left many coffee producers selling at below cost.
The Fairtrade minimum price paid to farmers' associations and co-operatives is $1.26 per pound (£1.73 a kilo) for arabica coffee. This includes a 5 cents per pound 'premium' to be used for agreed social and commercial development projects. If the world price climbs above that minimum level, the Fairtrade price is always 5 cents per pound more.
'The heart of the fair trade standards is that farmers must be organised into cooperatives. Farmers know that if they come together they are better able to resist the passing fads of the middle man,' says Lamb.
From grower to supermarket shelf or cafe bar, it is estimated that coffee beans can change hands as many as 150 times. Producers sell to local traders, who sell on to international traders, who sell on to commodity traders. (Illegal drugs, by contrast, have a much flatter distribution network.)
This explains the relatively small cut that is received by farmers. But the slump in prices is also down to the growing power of the big multinationals that buy the produce.
'For some reason or another these markets are not competitive. Big companies can rip off farmers, using their "single buyer" power to drive down prices. In principle this phenomenon, known as "monopsony", is as bad as a monopoly,' says Alan Winters, a trade economist with the Centre for Economic Policy Research.
Companies that profit from the collapse in coffee prices are beginning to be named by campaigning groups.
'Nestlé has made an estimated 26 per cent profit margin on instant coffee. Sara Lee's coffee profits are estimated to be nearly 17 per cent - a very high figure compared with other food and drink brands. If everyone in the supply chain were benefiting this would not matter. As it is, with farmers getting a price that is below the costs of production, the companies' booming business is being paid for by some of the poorest people in the world,' says a recent Oxfam report.
Coffee aside there is the subsidy question. Take the startling example of the Haitian rice industry, put out of business by dumped overproduction from the US, courtesy of massive subsidies. Then there is the Mozambique sugar industry. A country that is desperately looking to trade, following man-made and natural disasters, finds itself up against the might of $1.6bn of subsidies for European sugar producers. Despite it being the world's least efficient place to produce sugar, subsidy has made Europe the world's biggest exporter. Oxfam estimates that British sugar firms received an effective subsidy of £120m last year.
There's also 'tariff escalation' which effectively prevents countries from exporting higher value products. Even some fair trade products, including 'polished' rice from Thailand, cannot be sold in Europe because they attract punitive tariffs.
'The EU has got to get it's act together, because it's vested interests are holding up WTO agricultural reforms,' says Fowler.
Fair trade's minor success has helped thousands of small farmers diversify production, and earn enough money to pay for an education. In South America, the fair trade premium has allowed farmers to resist the temptation to revert to growing coca and opium poppies.
'Fair trade is a fairly radical solution - not only giving a better price but giving producers a say in the supply chain. The question we ask is who has the power, and what fair trade does is give poor disadvantaged producers a bit of a say,' says Barry Coates, of the World Development Movement.
The real problem, of course, is that 98 per cent of trade is not fair.
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Posted by tintinet on 2003-10-03 12:35:54 Post Subject: More on Coffee Growers, Pricing, etc.
From The Observer "Best daily newspaper
on the world wide web" :
The backdrop to the coffee growers' problems is the collapse in commodity prices, caused by oversupply, a lack of competition among buyers and hypocritical trade rules. 'It's exacerbated by international advice to developing countries to all produce coffee. And there used to be an international coffee agreement that guaranteed a fixed price,' says Lamb.
For instance, Vietnam recently began producing coffee and now supplies 10 per cent of the world market.
Coffee sells on world markets for about 35p a kilo, while a bag of coffee for use in a cafe costs around 16 times that amount. The mark-up is excellent for the end-user or the Nestlés of the world, but the price paid to coffee producers has been pitiful, especially when set against the rewards for cultivating drugs. Independent reports show that oversupply in the coffee market - and the slump in coffee prices from £2,800 per tonne in 1995 to today's £350 - has left many coffee producers selling at below cost.
The Fairtrade minimum price paid to farmers' associations and co-operatives is $1.26 per pound (£1.73 a kilo) for arabica coffee. This includes a 5 cents per pound 'premium' to be used for agreed social and commercial development projects. If the world price climbs above that minimum level, the Fairtrade price is always 5 cents per pound more.
'The heart of the fair trade standards is that farmers must be organised into cooperatives. Farmers know that if they come together they are better able to resist the passing fads of the middle man,' says Lamb.
From grower to supermarket shelf or cafe bar, it is estimated that coffee beans can change hands as many as 150 times. Producers sell to local traders, who sell on to international traders, who sell on to commodity traders. (Illegal drugs, by contrast, have a much flatter distribution network.)
This explains the relatively small cut that is received by farmers. But the slump in prices is also down to the growing power of the big multinationals that buy the produce.
'For some reason or another these markets are not competitive. Big companies can rip off farmers, using their "single buyer" power to drive down prices. In principle this phenomenon, known as "monopsony", is as bad as a monopoly,' says Alan Winters, a trade economist with the Centre for Economic Policy Research.
Companies that profit from the collapse in coffee prices are beginning to be named by campaigning groups.
'Nestlé has made an estimated 26 per cent profit margin on instant coffee. Sara Lee's coffee profits are estimated to be nearly 17 per cent - a very high figure compared with other food and drink brands. If everyone in the supply chain were benefiting this would not matter. As it is, with farmers getting a price that is below the costs of production, the companies' booming business is being paid for by some of the poorest people in the world,' says a recent Oxfam report.
Coffee aside there is the subsidy question. Take the startling example of the Haitian rice industry, put out of business by dumped overproduction from the US, courtesy of massive subsidies. Then there is the Mozambique sugar industry. A country that is desperately looking to trade, following man-made and natural disasters, finds itself up against the might of $1.6bn of subsidies for European sugar producers. Despite it being the world's least efficient place to produce sugar, subsidy has made Europe the world's biggest exporter. Oxfam estimates that British sugar firms received an effective subsidy of £120m last year.
There's also 'tariff escalation' which effectively prevents countries from exporting higher value products. Even some fair trade products, including 'polished' rice from Thailand, cannot be sold in Europe because they attract punitive tariffs.
'The EU has got to get it's act together, because it's vested interests are holding up WTO agricultural reforms,' says Fowler.
Fair trade's minor success has helped thousands of small farmers diversify production, and earn enough money to pay for an education. In South America, the fair trade premium has allowed farmers to resist the temptation to revert to growing coca and opium poppies.
'Fair trade is a fairly radical solution - not only giving a better price but giving producers a say in the supply chain. The question we ask is who has the power, and what fair trade does is give poor disadvantaged producers a bit of a say,' says Barry Coates, of the World Development Movement.
The real problem, of course, is that 98 per cent of trade is not fair.
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View entire thread: Coffee Economics at Origin-
Posted by Alun_evans on 2008-08-14 19:25:35 Post Subject: Coffee Economics at Origin-
From the news wires. I am not too familiar with the Central and South American coffee agricultural systems. I assume that because most growing areas are not as inaccessible as they are here, and in Africa, fertilisers are an important part of the micro-system. In Indonesia 'organic'- using natural means of fertilising the land- is part and parcel of the industry here by default.
The thinning trees of El Salvador's coffee orchards are the most visible signs of strain on an industry that should be booming.
Coffee prices are near their highest since a global coffee crisis earlier this decade, but growers say fertilizer costs are rising even faster, hurting their ability to nurture plants.
In Latin America, home to some 60 percent of global production, farmers say output will suffer.
"With fertilizer prices so high, we haven't been able to fertilize, and we'll feel the effects in the next harvest," said Luis Roque, an agronomist at the UNEX coffee exporting company that grows arabica beans in El Salvador.
Gazing at the coffee trees lining the slopes of a nearby volcano, in the town of Santiago de Maria, Roque points at stunted branches of usually robust trees, where thinning leaves show sub-standard nutrition.
Fertilizer prices, stable for almost a decade, have skyrocketed in the last year on high demand and as oil and natural gas prices rose.
Governments in Latin America are paying attention because coffee is a major source of export revenue for many countries in the region, where the green trees and red cherries typically adorn many steep mountainsides.
With less nutrients, trees will bare fewer beans than usual next year, likely pushing up prices of the world's second most traded commodity after oil.
Prices for common phosphate fertilizers have increased five-fold in the past 15 months to an unprecedented US$1,230 per tonne. At that level, farmers must use close to a third of what they earn per pound of coffee just to pay for fertilizers.
In Colombia, the world's third largest coffee producer famous for its high-quality beans, the government has earmarked $50 million in fertilizer subsidies this year.
"The government has been very conscious of the situation. It is supporting the farmers with fertilizer subsidies on a per-hectare basis," said Jorge Lozano, head of the Association of Colombian Coffee Exporters.
Poor countries like Nicaragua supply some farmers with lower-priced fertilizers sold at cost to the country by their oil-rich, political ally Venezuela.
The support is welcomed by small farmers still recovering from a protracted period of slumping prices between 2000 and 2004 that saw some abandon their estates and many more to stop investing in crop maintenance.
Prices have since recovered, reaching multi-year highs this year, but operating costs are erasing profits.
"What has been recovered in prices to a great extent has been lost because of the increasing costs," said Nestor Osorio, the head of the International Coffee Organisation during a recent visit to El Salvador.
The pinch on production, farmers say, will be felt in coming years, when trees produce less for lack of nutrients.
"There will be a good harvest (next year). . . but the one after that will be affected. It will be quite compromised," said Paulo Gontijo, a coffee specialist at the agricultural research firm Epamig in Brazil's main coffee state Minas Gerais.
Brazil, the world's leading coffee producer, is expecting a bumper crop in 2008/09 because of the biennial upswing in production.
The fertilizer problem is global, and is hitting both high-quality Arabica producers and growers of Robusta, beans that are mostly used in blends.
No 2 producer Vietnam said its 2008/09 harvest would fall well short of industry estimates at 15 million bags, largely due to droughts and high fertilizer costs.
In Costa Rica, which has one of the region's most sophisticated coffee industries, overall production costs rose 20 percent this year compared with the previous harvest, the local coffee institute said in a study.
While labour and other inputs were more expensive, the largest jump came from fertilizer, pesticide and fungicide prices.
"Producers have not yet realized the extent of the problem, they still have stocks (of fertilizers) in their warehouses," said Rodrigo Vargas, who heads one of Costa Rica's largest growers groups.
"I see lower yields coming," he said.
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Posted by Alun_evans on 2008-08-14 19:25:35 Post Subject: Coffee Economics at Origin-
From the news wires. I am not too familiar with the Central and South American coffee agricultural systems. I assume that because most growing areas are not as inaccessible as they are here, and in Africa, fertilisers are an important part of the micro-system. In Indonesia 'organic'- using natural means of fertilising the land- is part and parcel of the industry here by default.
The thinning trees of El Salvador's coffee orchards are the most visible signs of strain on an industry that should be booming.
Coffee prices are near their highest since a global coffee crisis earlier this decade, but growers say fertilizer costs are rising even faster, hurting their ability to nurture plants.
In Latin America, home to some 60 percent of global production, farmers say output will suffer.
"With fertilizer prices so high, we haven't been able to fertilize, and we'll feel the effects in the next harvest," said Luis Roque, an agronomist at the UNEX coffee exporting company that grows arabica beans in El Salvador.
Gazing at the coffee trees lining the slopes of a nearby volcano, in the town of Santiago de Maria, Roque points at stunted branches of usually robust trees, where thinning leaves show sub-standard nutrition.
Fertilizer prices, stable for almost a decade, have skyrocketed in the last year on high demand and as oil and natural gas prices rose.
Governments in Latin America are paying attention because coffee is a major source of export revenue for many countries in the region, where the green trees and red cherries typically adorn many steep mountainsides.
With less nutrients, trees will bare fewer beans than usual next year, likely pushing up prices of the world's second most traded commodity after oil.
Prices for common phosphate fertilizers have increased five-fold in the past 15 months to an unprecedented US$1,230 per tonne. At that level, farmers must use close to a third of what they earn per pound of coffee just to pay for fertilizers.
In Colombia, the world's third largest coffee producer famous for its high-quality beans, the government has earmarked $50 million in fertilizer subsidies this year.
"The government has been very conscious of the situation. It is supporting the farmers with fertilizer subsidies on a per-hectare basis," said Jorge Lozano, head of the Association of Colombian Coffee Exporters.
Poor countries like Nicaragua supply some farmers with lower-priced fertilizers sold at cost to the country by their oil-rich, political ally Venezuela.
The support is welcomed by small farmers still recovering from a protracted period of slumping prices between 2000 and 2004 that saw some abandon their estates and many more to stop investing in crop maintenance.
Prices have since recovered, reaching multi-year highs this year, but operating costs are erasing profits.
"What has been recovered in prices to a great extent has been lost because of the increasing costs," said Nestor Osorio, the head of the International Coffee Organisation during a recent visit to El Salvador.
The pinch on production, farmers say, will be felt in coming years, when trees produce less for lack of nutrients.
"There will be a good harvest (next year). . . but the one after that will be affected. It will be quite compromised," said Paulo Gontijo, a coffee specialist at the agricultural research firm Epamig in Brazil's main coffee state Minas Gerais.
Brazil, the world's leading coffee producer, is expecting a bumper crop in 2008/09 because of the biennial upswing in production.
The fertilizer problem is global, and is hitting both high-quality Arabica producers and growers of Robusta, beans that are mostly used in blends.
No 2 producer Vietnam said its 2008/09 harvest would fall well short of industry estimates at 15 million bags, largely due to droughts and high fertilizer costs.
In Costa Rica, which has one of the region's most sophisticated coffee industries, overall production costs rose 20 percent this year compared with the previous harvest, the local coffee institute said in a study.
While labour and other inputs were more expensive, the largest jump came from fertilizer, pesticide and fungicide prices.
"Producers have not yet realized the extent of the problem, they still have stocks (of fertilizers) in their warehouses," said Rodrigo Vargas, who heads one of Costa Rica's largest growers groups.
"I see lower yields coming," he said.
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View entire thread: Buying Organic and Fairtrade Coffee in New Zealand
Posted by dingfelder on 2006-03-13 04:07:44 Post Subject: cost
Thanks for the feedback topher.
Note: I'm not an expert of coffee prices, I am just a website designer who loves drinking good coffee
For New Zealand, it is my impression that coffee prices are quite a bit more than in the US. For example, bags of coffee (grounds) in the supermarket are somewhere around 5$-10$ per 250grams, usually in the 7$-8$ range for decent grounds like Robert Harris.
So, by weight, 10$-12$ for 500g of fresh beans is for sure cheaper.
Cheers,
Ding
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Posted by dingfelder on 2006-03-13 04:07:44 Post Subject: cost
Thanks for the feedback topher.
Note: I'm not an expert of coffee prices, I am just a website designer who loves drinking good coffee
For New Zealand, it is my impression that coffee prices are quite a bit more than in the US. For example, bags of coffee (grounds) in the supermarket are somewhere around 5$-10$ per 250grams, usually in the 7$-8$ range for decent grounds like Robert Harris.
So, by weight, 10$-12$ for 500g of fresh beans is for sure cheaper.
Cheers,
Ding
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View entire thread: Need help
Posted by bluecoffee on 2004-10-06 15:56:06 Post Subject: Need help
Hi!!!!!
I'm new in this forum and I think is wonderful!!!
I would like to have contact with someone in Denmark, because I need a favour, I was searching the coffee prices in the supermarkets, but Fotex, Netto, Irma, Superbrugsen don´t have prices in the web sites. I have a friend in Lithuania and she's helping me with Vilnius.
Also I would like to have friends in Denmark I was there and is a beautiful country, if the weather alow
I miss the desserts, walk in Stroget in the afternoon and Illum sale off!!
Viva Café!!!!!!
PD: Sorry for my english, I'm learning
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Posted by bluecoffee on 2004-10-06 15:56:06 Post Subject: Need help
Hi!!!!!
I'm new in this forum and I think is wonderful!!!
I would like to have contact with someone in Denmark, because I need a favour, I was searching the coffee prices in the supermarkets, but Fotex, Netto, Irma, Superbrugsen don´t have prices in the web sites. I have a friend in Lithuania and she's helping me with Vilnius.
Also I would like to have friends in Denmark I was there and is a beautiful country, if the weather alow
I miss the desserts, walk in Stroget in the afternoon and Illum sale off!!
Viva Café!!!!!!
PD: Sorry for my english, I'm learning
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View entire thread: No Charge For Torani Syrup?
Posted by aeneas1 on 2006-05-18 08:55:04 Post Subject: No Charge For Torani Syrup?
the number one gripe i hear from specialty/gourmet coffee drinkers is that they feel nickel and dimed to death by coffee shops and, i have to admit, i can easily see where they are coming from.
consequently i decided to try a little experiment which involved bumping up all of my coffee prices a bit and permanently offering torani flavorings, chocolate and whipped cream at no extra charge. a couple of months have gone by since i started this and all i can say is that i wish i had done it years ago! i have received nothing but great responses from my regulars and new clientele simply can't believe their eyes/ears when they realize they don't have to dig a little deeper for little more sugar!
i quickly discovered the following beneifts once i began this program:
- immediate perception of value added and, conversely, no feeling of nickel and diming to death - an excellent vehicle for word of mouth business.
- specialty coffee "extras" lend themselves perfectly to this sort of offering in that they are inherently self-limiting. far more people request less whipped cream than more while many request none at all (health/diet) and torani syrups will ruin a coffee drink if used in excess which most/all specialty coffee drinkers know.
- customers that do not opt for flavoring or whipped cream far outweigh those that do; at my location less than 20% of my clientele request whipped cream or flavoring and the ratio has not changed since i began offering such extras free of charge. consequently, 80% of my clientele cover the cost of the 20% that choose the extras.
- the impact of the "torani bar" is formidable and makes a lasting impression. all of my syrups are equipped with pumps and located in the customer area where coffee drinkers are free to help themselves to whatever flavor(s) they wish to add.
- also, i do not charge extra for mochas or, rather, i moved my latte/capp prices up to my mocha prices. given that capps and lattes far outsell mochas, the capp and latte drinkers subsidize the additional mocha expense - and then some!
is anyone else doing this?
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Posted by aeneas1 on 2006-05-18 08:55:04 Post Subject: No Charge For Torani Syrup?
the number one gripe i hear from specialty/gourmet coffee drinkers is that they feel nickel and dimed to death by coffee shops and, i have to admit, i can easily see where they are coming from.
consequently i decided to try a little experiment which involved bumping up all of my coffee prices a bit and permanently offering torani flavorings, chocolate and whipped cream at no extra charge. a couple of months have gone by since i started this and all i can say is that i wish i had done it years ago! i have received nothing but great responses from my regulars and new clientele simply can't believe their eyes/ears when they realize they don't have to dig a little deeper for little more sugar!
i quickly discovered the following beneifts once i began this program:
- immediate perception of value added and, conversely, no feeling of nickel and diming to death - an excellent vehicle for word of mouth business.
- specialty coffee "extras" lend themselves perfectly to this sort of offering in that they are inherently self-limiting. far more people request less whipped cream than more while many request none at all (health/diet) and torani syrups will ruin a coffee drink if used in excess which most/all specialty coffee drinkers know.
- customers that do not opt for flavoring or whipped cream far outweigh those that do; at my location less than 20% of my clientele request whipped cream or flavoring and the ratio has not changed since i began offering such extras free of charge. consequently, 80% of my clientele cover the cost of the 20% that choose the extras.
- the impact of the "torani bar" is formidable and makes a lasting impression. all of my syrups are equipped with pumps and located in the customer area where coffee drinkers are free to help themselves to whatever flavor(s) they wish to add.
- also, i do not charge extra for mochas or, rather, i moved my latte/capp prices up to my mocha prices. given that capps and lattes far outsell mochas, the capp and latte drinkers subsidize the additional mocha expense - and then some!
is anyone else doing this?
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View entire thread: Coffee Price
Posted by vivian on 2004-02-28 15:24:38 Post Subject: Coffee Price
Hi to everyone. I'm from india and own a coffee plantation. I had a couple of questions:
Some of you might be plantation owners or dealers in coffee, how do you predict the market price for coffee, is there any particular source for coffee prices ? i know nybot.com, but does it really reflect the prices in your country. We are at the mercy of local dealers who quote low prices. And any bullish trend in prices cannot be predicted. Its disppointing that as a internet literate that i have not been able to anything.
Any suggestions are very welcome.
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Posted by vivian on 2004-02-28 15:24:38 Post Subject: Coffee Price
Hi to everyone. I'm from india and own a coffee plantation. I had a couple of questions:
Some of you might be plantation owners or dealers in coffee, how do you predict the market price for coffee, is there any particular source for coffee prices ? i know nybot.com, but does it really reflect the prices in your country. We are at the mercy of local dealers who quote low prices. And any bullish trend in prices cannot be predicted. Its disppointing that as a internet literate that i have not been able to anything.
Any suggestions are very welcome.
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View entire thread: Coffee Price
Posted by Gulliver on 2004-03-20 10:01:11 Post Subject:
In the US, coffee is just another commodity item; like gasoline, sugar, etc. The price is set by how high the corporations who control it are able to set it. If there is a news story about an increase in coffee prices due to poor weather conditions, the price will go up as the perception of supply is unbalanced and the general public will be willing to pay more to maintain the supply to feed their demand. Resellers generally get blamed for the price increases, but actually will make less money when prices are high as there is more price shopping by consumers and more competition for business. Suppliers, like you, will not fair well either, as there probably will be some truth in the cut in supply, like bad weather, but the corporations purchasing the goods will have alternate sources and always will be able to find a low price. For example, when sugar became very expensive, companies not only looked to different countries for supply, they started using corn syrup as their sweetener offering.
As a grower, it is your “gameâ€
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Posted by Gulliver on 2004-03-20 10:01:11 Post Subject:
In the US, coffee is just another commodity item; like gasoline, sugar, etc. The price is set by how high the corporations who control it are able to set it. If there is a news story about an increase in coffee prices due to poor weather conditions, the price will go up as the perception of supply is unbalanced and the general public will be willing to pay more to maintain the supply to feed their demand. Resellers generally get blamed for the price increases, but actually will make less money when prices are high as there is more price shopping by consumers and more competition for business. Suppliers, like you, will not fair well either, as there probably will be some truth in the cut in supply, like bad weather, but the corporations purchasing the goods will have alternate sources and always will be able to find a low price. For example, when sugar became very expensive, companies not only looked to different countries for supply, they started using corn syrup as their sweetener offering.
As a grower, it is your “gameâ€
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View entire thread: Will other shops raise prices like Starbucks next month?....
Posted by ElPugDiablo on 2006-09-26 11:38:01 Post Subject: Re: Will other shops raise prices like Starbucks next month?
It's funny just before their announcement I was thinking of increasing our prices by about 5% to 7% simply because the increases in COGS. Our prices are already more than Starbucks, so our customers are not coming to us because we are "more reasonable".
Just passing by, but when I saw the post I was hopeing someone would put this in its proper context. While Starbucks sells Big Mac of the coffee world, the private shops have the option of selling quality specialty coffee and a more personal service......well, let's hope so.
This minimal increase at their (S$) volume equates to a substantial gross cash flow nationwide. However, and in my opinion, private shops should use this to their advantage and could actually lower coffee prices while manipulating other profit centers, such as pastry, hardgoods, etc. A good marketeer might take one specific drink and make it an advertised loss leader, just to flaunt it in the face of the recent increase.
Starbucks' price increase is one heck of an opportunity for the private owners.
Just a thought.
I simply don't see anyone changing their coffee destination over a nickel. So I must say I disagree with your suggestion. Also, pastry and other hard goods are lower margin items, if you lower your coffee prices and still want to maintain your overall margin, you have to either increase other items by a larger percentage or you buy lower, cheaper, and smaller. Either way it is not an attractive proposition. It would be easier to just raise your coffee prices or not change at all. Using Big Mac as an example, if indie burger joints of America have to compete on prices against Big Mac, then they are in trouble big time.
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Posted by ElPugDiablo on 2006-09-26 11:38:01 Post Subject: Re: Will other shops raise prices like Starbucks next month?
It's funny just before their announcement I was thinking of increasing our prices by about 5% to 7% simply because the increases in COGS. Our prices are already more than Starbucks, so our customers are not coming to us because we are "more reasonable".
Just passing by, but when I saw the post I was hopeing someone would put this in its proper context. While Starbucks sells Big Mac of the coffee world, the private shops have the option of selling quality specialty coffee and a more personal service......well, let's hope so.
This minimal increase at their (S$) volume equates to a substantial gross cash flow nationwide. However, and in my opinion, private shops should use this to their advantage and could actually lower coffee prices while manipulating other profit centers, such as pastry, hardgoods, etc. A good marketeer might take one specific drink and make it an advertised loss leader, just to flaunt it in the face of the recent increase.
Starbucks' price increase is one heck of an opportunity for the private owners.
Just a thought.
I simply don't see anyone changing their coffee destination over a nickel. So I must say I disagree with your suggestion. Also, pastry and other hard goods are lower margin items, if you lower your coffee prices and still want to maintain your overall margin, you have to either increase other items by a larger percentage or you buy lower, cheaper, and smaller. Either way it is not an attractive proposition. It would be easier to just raise your coffee prices or not change at all. Using Big Mac as an example, if indie burger joints of America have to compete on prices against Big Mac, then they are in trouble big time.
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Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2004-03-26 14:54:11 Post Subject:
In the US, coffee is just another commodity item; like gasoline, sugar, etc. The price is set by how high the corporations who control it are able to set it.
while this view may have a certain romantic politically-correct cachet to it, it is simply false. firstly, coffee is 'just another commodity item' all over the world, not simply in the us; europe as a whole consumes more coffee than the evil us, and in fact re-exports to the us the majority of the decaf consumed here. the fob price, which is what concerns vivian, is established as a differential to the new york 'c' (for arabica) futures market. there are no 'corporations that control it'. you are putting the cart before the horse. the futures mkt, which is a reflection of where the participants feel the fair value should be, sets the price for the corporations, not the other way around.
If there is a news story about an increase in coffee prices due to poor weather conditions, the price will go up as the perception of supply is unbalanced and the general public will be willing to pay more to maintain the supply to feed their demand.
and that perception very often becomes reality. and yes, people will pay more; consumption is very inelastic with regard to price.
Resellers generally get blamed for the price increases, but actually will make less money when prices are high as there is more price shopping by consumers and more competition for business.
some will make less, but others will make more; people will indeed move from brand to brand at the retail level, but, again, the basic amount consumed will not vary too much
Suppliers, like you, will not fair well either, as there probably will be some truth in the cut in supply, like bad weather, but the corporations purchasing the goods will have alternate sources and always will be able to find a low price. For example, when sugar became very expensive, companies not only looked to different countries for supply, they started using corn syrup as their sweetener offering.
sorry, but this shows a complete lack of understanding of coffee and the coffee market. coffee is not like sugar at all. sugar is sugar.is a santos brazil interchangeable with a colombian or a kenyan or a plantation grade from india? of course not. most roasters sell a blend of different coffees from different origins, and they try to maintain a consistant flavor profile. they will not 'always be able to find a low price'; they may be able to find useable coffee from another origin at a cheaper price than you may want to sell, but that's a different animal and that's their job. suppliers in countries outside of brazil do exceedingly well when there are frosts in brazil, as they are able to offload their stocks at very high prices to roasters scrambling to replace the brazils. the problem becomes that at high prices too much coffee gets planted, and 3-4 years down the line there are huge surpluses.
As a grower, it is your “gameâ€
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Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2004-03-26 14:54:11 Post Subject:
In the US, coffee is just another commodity item; like gasoline, sugar, etc. The price is set by how high the corporations who control it are able to set it.
while this view may have a certain romantic politically-correct cachet to it, it is simply false. firstly, coffee is 'just another commodity item' all over the world, not simply in the us; europe as a whole consumes more coffee than the evil us, and in fact re-exports to the us the majority of the decaf consumed here. the fob price, which is what concerns vivian, is established as a differential to the new york 'c' (for arabica) futures market. there are no 'corporations that control it'. you are putting the cart before the horse. the futures mkt, which is a reflection of where the participants feel the fair value should be, sets the price for the corporations, not the other way around.
If there is a news story about an increase in coffee prices due to poor weather conditions, the price will go up as the perception of supply is unbalanced and the general public will be willing to pay more to maintain the supply to feed their demand.
and that perception very often becomes reality. and yes, people will pay more; consumption is very inelastic with regard to price.
Resellers generally get blamed for the price increases, but actually will make less money when prices are high as there is more price shopping by consumers and more competition for business.
some will make less, but others will make more; people will indeed move from brand to brand at the retail level, but, again, the basic amount consumed will not vary too much
Suppliers, like you, will not fair well either, as there probably will be some truth in the cut in supply, like bad weather, but the corporations purchasing the goods will have alternate sources and always will be able to find a low price. For example, when sugar became very expensive, companies not only looked to different countries for supply, they started using corn syrup as their sweetener offering.
sorry, but this shows a complete lack of understanding of coffee and the coffee market. coffee is not like sugar at all. sugar is sugar.is a santos brazil interchangeable with a colombian or a kenyan or a plantation grade from india? of course not. most roasters sell a blend of different coffees from different origins, and they try to maintain a consistant flavor profile. they will not 'always be able to find a low price'; they may be able to find useable coffee from another origin at a cheaper price than you may want to sell, but that's a different animal and that's their job. suppliers in countries outside of brazil do exceedingly well when there are frosts in brazil, as they are able to offload their stocks at very high prices to roasters scrambling to replace the brazils. the problem becomes that at high prices too much coffee gets planted, and 3-4 years down the line there are huge surpluses.
As a grower, it is your “gameâ€
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Posted by caffe biscotto on 2008-08-20 10:23:38 Post Subject: Re: Free Shipping Concerns
.... But from a seller's point of view, it is much easier to account for the shipping in the price rather than setup shipping tables for each and every item for each and every zip code.
I agree it is the easy way, to not have to figure the appropriate shipping rate with the many variables involved.
Now, if I can assume the Kenya AA price is $18.47 per pound and you're tacking on $10 for shipping that item, then I'm less likely to purchase more than a pound from you. Because, the first pound is what costs the most. To ship several one pound bags of coffee in one box to the same address won't cost you $10 per pound. It will only cost you a few dollars more than the first pound, to ship several.
Anyway, if I read FREE SHIPPING, I expect the coffee prices to be on par with what I'd pay elsewhere, that's my point.
Better to have a regional shipping system set up, I think. You'll never be spot on, but it will give and take a bit here & there.
Thanks for taking the time to read our posts and to reply to them.
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Posted by caffe biscotto on 2008-08-20 10:23:38 Post Subject: Re: Free Shipping Concerns
.... But from a seller's point of view, it is much easier to account for the shipping in the price rather than setup shipping tables for each and every item for each and every zip code.
I agree it is the easy way, to not have to figure the appropriate shipping rate with the many variables involved.
Now, if I can assume the Kenya AA price is $18.47 per pound and you're tacking on $10 for shipping that item, then I'm less likely to purchase more than a pound from you. Because, the first pound is what costs the most. To ship several one pound bags of coffee in one box to the same address won't cost you $10 per pound. It will only cost you a few dollars more than the first pound, to ship several.
Anyway, if I read FREE SHIPPING, I expect the coffee prices to be on par with what I'd pay elsewhere, that's my point.
Better to have a regional shipping system set up, I think. You'll never be spot on, but it will give and take a bit here & there.
Thanks for taking the time to read our posts and to reply to them.
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Posted by alsterling on 2006-09-26 13:45:02 Post Subject: Re: Will other shops raise prices like Starbucks next month?
I simply don't see anyone changing their coffee destination over a nickel. So I must say I disagree with your suggestion. Also, pastry and other hard goods are lower margin items, if you lower your coffee prices and still want to maintain your overall margin, you have to either increase other items by a larger percentage or you buy lower, cheaper, and smaller. Either way it is not an attractive proposition. It would be easier to just raise your coffee prices or not change at all. Using Big Mac as an example, if indie burger joints of America have to compete on prices against Big Mac, then they are in trouble big time.
I actually agree with you. That's the whole point here. who in their right mind would drive an extra mile to save a nickle? Only if we could get 60 miles to the gallon off weak coffee, right??!
What I'm saying here is don't look at the "price increase" literally as someone gaining or losing 5 cents. At the small operator level it's not an issue. The issue is how to convert this moment of coffee awareness into something positive for your operation.
Look at this as a "marketing opportunity." Starbucks has no choice but to be published as having raised prices. On the other hand, I could see an "In-store" promo that plays off of the increase by rubbing it in their face while you reinforce your shop being the better choice.
If you accept that Starbucks has made your job easier by paving the way, then you might consider that any nationwide publicity in specialty coffee can possibly be used as a marketing opportunity?
Al
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Posted by alsterling on 2006-09-26 13:45:02 Post Subject: Re: Will other shops raise prices like Starbucks next month?
I simply don't see anyone changing their coffee destination over a nickel. So I must say I disagree with your suggestion. Also, pastry and other hard goods are lower margin items, if you lower your coffee prices and still want to maintain your overall margin, you have to either increase other items by a larger percentage or you buy lower, cheaper, and smaller. Either way it is not an attractive proposition. It would be easier to just raise your coffee prices or not change at all. Using Big Mac as an example, if indie burger joints of America have to compete on prices against Big Mac, then they are in trouble big time.
I actually agree with you. That's the whole point here. who in their right mind would drive an extra mile to save a nickle? Only if we could get 60 miles to the gallon off weak coffee, right??!
What I'm saying here is don't look at the "price increase" literally as someone gaining or losing 5 cents. At the small operator level it's not an issue. The issue is how to convert this moment of coffee awareness into something positive for your operation.
Look at this as a "marketing opportunity." Starbucks has no choice but to be published as having raised prices. On the other hand, I could see an "In-store" promo that plays off of the increase by rubbing it in their face while you reinforce your shop being the better choice.
If you accept that Starbucks has made your job easier by paving the way, then you might consider that any nationwide publicity in specialty coffee can possibly be used as a marketing opportunity?
Al
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Posted by alsterling on 2006-09-25 21:15:15 Post Subject: Re: Will other shops raise prices like Starbucks next month?
It's funny just before their announcement I was thinking of increasing our prices by about 5% to 7% simply because the increases in COGS. Our prices are already more than Starbucks, so our customers are not coming to us because we are "more reasonable".
Just passing by, but when I saw the post I was hopeing someone would put this in its proper context. While Starbucks sells Big Mac of the coffee world, the private shops have the option of selling quality specialty coffee and a more personal service......well, let's hope so.
This minimal increase at their (S$) volume equates to a substantial gross cash flow nationwide. However, and in my opinion, private shops should use this to their advantage and could actually lower coffee prices while manipulating other profit centers, such as pastry, hardgoods, etc. A good marketeer might take one specific drink and make it an advertised loss leader, just to flaunt it in the face of the recent increase.
Starbucks' price increase is one heck of an opportunity for the private owners.
Just a thought.
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Posted by alsterling on 2006-09-25 21:15:15 Post Subject: Re: Will other shops raise prices like Starbucks next month?
It's funny just before their announcement I was thinking of increasing our prices by about 5% to 7% simply because the increases in COGS. Our prices are already more than Starbucks, so our customers are not coming to us because we are "more reasonable".
Just passing by, but when I saw the post I was hopeing someone would put this in its proper context. While Starbucks sells Big Mac of the coffee world, the private shops have the option of selling quality specialty coffee and a more personal service......well, let's hope so.
This minimal increase at their (S$) volume equates to a substantial gross cash flow nationwide. However, and in my opinion, private shops should use this to their advantage and could actually lower coffee prices while manipulating other profit centers, such as pastry, hardgoods, etc. A good marketeer might take one specific drink and make it an advertised loss leader, just to flaunt it in the face of the recent increase.
Starbucks' price increase is one heck of an opportunity for the private owners.
Just a thought.
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Posted by demetri on 2006-09-27 16:59:05 Post Subject: Re: Will other shops raise prices like Starbucks next month?
This minimal increase at their (S$) volume equates to a substantial gross cash flow nationwide. However, and in my opinion, private shops should use this to their advantage and could actually lower coffee prices while manipulating other profit centers, such as pastry, hardgoods, etc. A good marketeer might take one specific drink and make it an advertised loss leader, just to flaunt it in the face of the recent increase.
Back in my insurance days (was one of the senior network administrators and a former claims adjuster) I had on many occasion after a premium increase hear many a salesman whine about losing sales because competitors were cheaper.
The comment fro the Underwriting VP was "I don't need any salesmen if I'm selling the cheapest product. I need salesmen that can sell our customers on why we're a better value".
Please also consider that McDonalds is not that cheap. I can take my lovely fiancée to McDonalds for lunch and drop $15.00 on burgers and fries. I can also take her to a decent restaurant here in Winnipeg for lunch and drop $25.00 and have a far superior lunch or go to a greasy spoon and get the same quality as McDonalds while spending $10.00.
I think if you’re business strategy is to follow Starbucks’ pricing then you’re doomed.
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Posted by demetri on 2006-09-27 16:59:05 Post Subject: Re: Will other shops raise prices like Starbucks next month?
This minimal increase at their (S$) volume equates to a substantial gross cash flow nationwide. However, and in my opinion, private shops should use this to their advantage and could actually lower coffee prices while manipulating other profit centers, such as pastry, hardgoods, etc. A good marketeer might take one specific drink and make it an advertised loss leader, just to flaunt it in the face of the recent increase.
Back in my insurance days (was one of the senior network administrators and a former claims adjuster) I had on many occasion after a premium increase hear many a salesman whine about losing sales because competitors were cheaper.
The comment fro the Underwriting VP was "I don't need any salesmen if I'm selling the cheapest product. I need salesmen that can sell our customers on why we're a better value".
Please also consider that McDonalds is not that cheap. I can take my lovely fiancée to McDonalds for lunch and drop $15.00 on burgers and fries. I can also take her to a decent restaurant here in Winnipeg for lunch and drop $25.00 and have a far superior lunch or go to a greasy spoon and get the same quality as McDonalds while spending $10.00.
I think if you’re business strategy is to follow Starbucks’ pricing then you’re doomed.
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Posted by Think Coffee and Teas on 2004-04-11 17:16:59 Post Subject:
First of all, why are you only trying to target one market? Fair Trade, and all of that is good, but you are leaving out an entire market that couldn't care less about fair trade, especially if they have to pay extra for a drink whereas, they could get a drink somewhere else for less. The same applies for organic coffee. I'm not shooting down your idea, just telling you how things are in the Seattle. There are a lot of operators here that sold organic and fair trade coffees only to find that they were expensive for them to buy and even more expensive to sell to their customers. And since their sales fell quite a bit, some dropped have dropped serving either. Might I suggest that you add these items to your menu after you've had the opportunity to open first. Don't put all of your eggs in one basket.
I agree with what you say. Although my coffee prices will actually be lower or at least the same at most with all of my competitors who do or do not sell organic fair trade coffee like I will. The only coffee that I will be charging more for will be my Kona and Maui, which I am almost positive is not served anywhere else in town.
I position my coffee shop and coffee beans as higher quality than what you would find out there but lower in price, if only just a bit. It should be a foolproof plan, but we'll see how it goes.
I work very closely with a company that imports and roasts beans so I can get a pretty good rate on fresh roasted coffee from a variety of countries.
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Posted by Think Coffee and Teas on 2004-04-11 17:16:59 Post Subject:
First of all, why are you only trying to target one market? Fair Trade, and all of that is good, but you are leaving out an entire market that couldn't care less about fair trade, especially if they have to pay extra for a drink whereas, they could get a drink somewhere else for less. The same applies for organic coffee. I'm not shooting down your idea, just telling you how things are in the Seattle. There are a lot of operators here that sold organic and fair trade coffees only to find that they were expensive for them to buy and even more expensive to sell to their customers. And since their sales fell quite a bit, some dropped have dropped serving either. Might I suggest that you add these items to your menu after you've had the opportunity to open first. Don't put all of your eggs in one basket.
I agree with what you say. Although my coffee prices will actually be lower or at least the same at most with all of my competitors who do or do not sell organic fair trade coffee like I will. The only coffee that I will be charging more for will be my Kona and Maui, which I am almost positive is not served anywhere else in town.
I position my coffee shop and coffee beans as higher quality than what you would find out there but lower in price, if only just a bit. It should be a foolproof plan, but we'll see how it goes.
I work very closely with a company that imports and roasts beans so I can get a pretty good rate on fresh roasted coffee from a variety of countries.
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Posted by GCS on 2005-06-04 13:07:16 Post Subject:
Kona blends are not all bad.
Many people shudder at the sound of mixing something with precious Kona Coffee (I believe its a little over-rated).
Just make sure that you find an online store first off (grocery store blends are almost always horrible). Find a blend that mixes gourmet coffee from Central America or some lighter South American crops. Kona blend can be done correctly, if mixing the correct crops, just make sure they specify the type of coffee mixed.
If you are somewhat new to the topic, and don't know much about the different types of gourmet coffee, then I would stick to drinking pure coffees from the Central America and South America to judge their tastes and body, and stick to pure Kona coffee.
Pure Kona coffee is actually way overpriced on most internet stores these days (mainly due to the fact that is is popular and that for internet stores, most people just choose the top two sites on Google, so these stores WAY overinflate Kona coffee prices).
Kona coffee should be around 26$ a pound, and unless it is some specialty Peaberry crop, it should not go over 30$ a pound.
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Posted by GCS on 2005-06-04 13:07:16 Post Subject:
Kona blends are not all bad.
Many people shudder at the sound of mixing something with precious Kona Coffee (I believe its a little over-rated).
Just make sure that you find an online store first off (grocery store blends are almost always horrible). Find a blend that mixes gourmet coffee from Central America or some lighter South American crops. Kona blend can be done correctly, if mixing the correct crops, just make sure they specify the type of coffee mixed.
If you are somewhat new to the topic, and don't know much about the different types of gourmet coffee, then I would stick to drinking pure coffees from the Central America and South America to judge their tastes and body, and stick to pure Kona coffee.
Pure Kona coffee is actually way overpriced on most internet stores these days (mainly due to the fact that is is popular and that for internet stores, most people just choose the top two sites on Google, so these stores WAY overinflate Kona coffee prices).
Kona coffee should be around 26$ a pound, and unless it is some specialty Peaberry crop, it should not go over 30$ a pound.
Max
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Posted by espressolane on 2004-08-08 12:35:46 Post Subject:
TransfiarUSA is a member of the FLO (fair trade labeling organization). The FLO is headquartered in Germany. Any organization using the “fair trade certifiedâ€
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Posted by espressolane on 2004-08-08 12:35:46 Post Subject:
TransfiarUSA is a member of the FLO (fair trade labeling organization). The FLO is headquartered in Germany. Any organization using the “fair trade certifiedâ€
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Posted by ralphshade on 2004-08-16 13:36:03 Post Subject: RE: No reply.
Kind of presumptuous to say that there was no reply after such a short period of time, don't ya think?
Actually, I was trying to formulate a well-thought out response to what I can only describe as a bit of a rant. Here goes;
"TransfairUSA does not certify any producers. They are one of the US auditors for FLO.
The fees and royalties paid to transfair are for the auditing functions for chain of custody. Transfair pays a portion of the proceeds to FLO for its license, as do all others who use the label. Transfair is an information and data collection processor and redistributors.
They ride the coattails of other organizations. "
I don't think you can say that TransfairUSA rides the coattails of other organizations, since as you state, the are an auditor for FLO. In fact they are the authorized agent for FLO in the US. They serve the function that they have been hired for in the US.
"No individual farms are certified, Only cooperatives or groups are eligible for certification.
The term “farmersâ€
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Posted by ralphshade on 2004-08-16 13:36:03 Post Subject: RE: No reply.
Kind of presumptuous to say that there was no reply after such a short period of time, don't ya think?
Actually, I was trying to formulate a well-thought out response to what I can only describe as a bit of a rant. Here goes;
"TransfairUSA does not certify any producers. They are one of the US auditors for FLO.
The fees and royalties paid to transfair are for the auditing functions for chain of custody. Transfair pays a portion of the proceeds to FLO for its license, as do all others who use the label. Transfair is an information and data collection processor and redistributors.
They ride the coattails of other organizations. "
I don't think you can say that TransfairUSA rides the coattails of other organizations, since as you state, the are an auditor for FLO. In fact they are the authorized agent for FLO in the US. They serve the function that they have been hired for in the US.
"No individual farms are certified, Only cooperatives or groups are eligible for certification.
The term “farmersâ€
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Posted by espressolane on 2004-10-10 13:42:56 Post Subject: Re: RE: No reply.
Actually, I was trying to formulate a well-thought out response to what I can only describe as a bit of a rant. Here goes;
I am not sure why you would call my reply a rant, you asked for my opinion and thoughts. I replied with facts and opinions.
"TransfairUSA does not certify any producers. They are one of the US auditors for FLO.
The fees and royalties paid to transfair are for the auditing functions for chain of custody. Transfair pays a portion of the proceeds to FLO for its license, as do all others who use the label. Transfair is an information and data collection processor and redistributors.
They ride the coattails of other organizations. "
I don't think you can say that TransfairUSA rides the coattails of other organizations, since as you state, the are an auditor for FLO. In fact they are the authorized agent for FLO in the US. They serve the function that they have been hired for in the US.
Yes, I can say that FTO and TransfairUSA ride the coattails of other organizations. The FTO, and by that TransfairUSA have taken up activities in areas that have been long assisted by USAID, OCIA, Smithsonian, Rain forest alliance and a host of others. These groups have been working in these regions longer than FTO, and doing good work to help the people. They have set a number of things in motion, that FTO and others are getting the benefit from. Talk to these groups, you might just be surprised at what they have to say.
“They serve the function that they have been hired for in the US.â€
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Posted by espressolane on 2004-10-10 13:42:56 Post Subject: Re: RE: No reply.
Actually, I was trying to formulate a well-thought out response to what I can only describe as a bit of a rant. Here goes;
I am not sure why you would call my reply a rant, you asked for my opinion and thoughts. I replied with facts and opinions.
"TransfairUSA does not certify any producers. They are one of the US auditors for FLO.
The fees and royalties paid to transfair are for the auditing functions for chain of custody. Transfair pays a portion of the proceeds to FLO for its license, as do all others who use the label. Transfair is an information and data collection processor and redistributors.
They ride the coattails of other organizations. "
I don't think you can say that TransfairUSA rides the coattails of other organizations, since as you state, the are an auditor for FLO. In fact they are the authorized agent for FLO in the US. They serve the function that they have been hired for in the US.
Yes, I can say that FTO and TransfairUSA ride the coattails of other organizations. The FTO, and by that TransfairUSA have taken up activities in areas that have been long assisted by USAID, OCIA, Smithsonian, Rain forest alliance and a host of others. These groups have been working in these regions longer than FTO, and doing good work to help the people. They have set a number of things in motion, that FTO and others are getting the benefit from. Talk to these groups, you might just be surprised at what they have to say.
“They serve the function that they have been hired for in the US.â€
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