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    Advice about hardware / expresso machine

    Im new to the coffee business. I have a partner who wants to start a coffee shop in a very un-wired part of the country, Utah.
    Utah is a population where there are many LDS, and via their religious doctrine they are forbidden to drink coffee....

    Sufficed to say, I have to open a coffee house to step outside the box, and maybe introduce coffee to people for the very first time in their lives.

    We want to get the best coffee machine that our money can buy. Unfortunately, we are limited to $2000 for this purchase.

    I have seen many machines that fit this price range, but I want to sell the BEST coffee possible (of course).

    I have heard that this brand would be a good choice: La San Marco

    Any advice?

    Also, in the future we want to roll out with a mobile coffee kiosk, does anyone know where there are plans for building one of these units, or where I could buy one?

    Thanks in advance!

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    If this helps, we are above 5000 ft, and I have been told we may need a special machine for the higher altitude.

    ?

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    in my experience which may be a little

    a very expensive coffee maker is not necessary, Who gave you this idea? was it a salesman?

    My ideas on what it takes to make a good cup of cofee.

    a standard good commercial maker (about $350 for coffee) espresso (I have no idea)
    great beans (fresh gourmet roasted)
    a good grinder (burr if able)
    good water (filtered)
    A passion for coffee

    This is basicaly what I think is needed to make an excellent cup of coffee
    mmm espresso

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    My apologies for not being more clear, I meant an expresso machine.
    The person that advised me owned a coffee cart/ kiosk and had tried many models.

    I just want to try to get something very high quality for $2000 for commercial usage.

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    email me

    im in a service tech in idaho , send me a email and ill help with all you need to know.

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    Im still looking for some advice on this. Here are the two that I am contemplating.


    ECM Giotto Premium Espresso Machine
    http://www.coffee-makers-espresso-machi ... chine.html

    Gaggia Titanium
    http://www.aabreecoffee.com/Gaggia/ga_titanium.cfm


    This will be for a very small coffee shop, located in an area with a small population. The town we are in has 30,000 people in it, and they are mostly LDS (Mormons) who are forbidden to drink coffee anyway.

    The nearest city has a population of about 100,000 people, and they too are Mormons.

    So, I don't expect this coffee shop to ever get more than 40 patrons in one day. Although, I would surely welcome it. It just doesn't seem possible for where I live.

    So I don't need a very heavy duty machine. Thats why I picked those two machines.

    Does anyone have any opinions on them?

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    I've read that high altitude does affect coffee brewing.

    If you're looking for an espresso machine to be used in a commercial setting I think there's a few things to be aware of.

    One would be NSF ratings. I think a machine has to be NSF approved for commercial use. It also has to be electrical safety approved as well.

    I believe there's a few under $2000 machines that are possible to be used for light duty commercial. Apart from the approvals the size of the machine and it's design have to be considered. Smaller boilers recover slower so if you're planning on making a lot of espressos a small boiler machine probably won't be able to keep up. Machines that have reservoirs that need filling might also not be a good choice for a commercial setting, especially if you expect a bit of business. Running a pump dry could damage it. More expensive machines can be plumbed in and that is a better option for a commercial setting. Semi commercial machines designed mostly for home use also wouldn't stand up well to commercial use and might slowly die out over time.

    Fiorenzato makes a Bricoletta that's a rotary pump plumb in for under $2000, Chris' Coffee has a modified Quickmill machine, Vetrano, that's also a rotary pump plumb in for under $2000. The Vibiemme Domobar Super is also in the same catagory and is a well reviewed machine. They're good machines but not ideal for strict commercial use. I would get advice before buying one for commercial use.

    Spend maybe $600-$1000 more and you can get a Cimbali Junior, Elektra Sixties or an Astra Gourmet, all one group machines but with monster boilers, commercial ratings and commercially capable.

    Another option would be to buy a used commercial machine. You do get what you pay for with espresso machines and equipment and trying to save money in the end could lose you money depending on what you expect of your machine. I guess you have a good grinder to match with a good machine.

    There's mobile coffee carts for sale on line. It's a hard way to sell espresso, from what I've read. Coffee is very sensitive to it's environment and an operator has to be pretty good to pull shots out doors where there is no control over stuff like humidity, temperature, direct sunlight...In an outdoor setting a good quality, forgiving machine would be a good investment. The Elektra Sixties has gotten very good reviews as a forgiving machine.
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    We are considering this one as well.

    http://www.espressoonline.com/bz40.shtml

    Thanks for all of the advice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccz
    So, I don't expect this coffee shop to ever get more than 40 patrons in one day. Although, I would surely welcome it. It just doesn't seem possible for where I live.
    It's none of my business, but if 40 per day is your realistic projection, then my unsolicited opinion is don't do it.
    You want cream and sugar?
    NO COFFEE FOR YOU! NEXT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElPugDiablo
    It's none of my business, but if 40 per day is your realistic projection, then my unsolicited opinion is don't do it.
    I second that unsolicited opinion.

 

 
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